2022/23 Frank Lampard

[Nosidoog]

Martinez and Koeman had reportedly lost the dressing room, Benitez was obviously failing and Allardyce was always a short-timer. The only real point of comparison is Silva, who wasn't getting it done when we got a nibble from a European heavyweight.

Every one of them were taking us backwards.
Lampard is having to build from the bottom up.

We need to start seeing results, obviously. But we need to give him half a chance to make a fist of it.

I agree completely that he needs to be given a chance but it is not unconditional.
He needs to ensure that we are not threatened with relegation.
If we are threatened with relegation to the Championship, by not getting an average of a point per game, then unfortunately he is likely to be sacked.

Every one of them were taking us backwards.
Lampard is having to build from the bottom up.

We need to start seeing results, obviously. But we need to give him half a chance to make a fist of

I agree completely that he needs to be given a fair chance but if we are not getting enough points (around 1 per game) to be reasonably sure of not being relegated, when should we change manager?

 

[adi dassler]

5 of them ( incl Patterson who never got games under prev management) are Lampards. How long is the inheritance nonsense going to be churned out in his defence

He’s more likely to get his head on the ball than Gray, and with almost 90 on the clock he might have been up against sufficiently tired defenders that he’d have gotten the required head start.

In any event, making no subs is negligent, regardless of how unlikely the subs are to change the game. If they’d have scored a winner, the fume in this thread would have been palpable. He got away with one, for now. Let’s see how the players get on in the derby.

He really wouldn’t. He’s absolutely useless.

 

[Drico]

I get what you are saying but I think the role of the manager is massively under valued.

Statistically, it's actually the opposite. The vast majority of managers do no more or no worse than their budget suggests they should. Only a select few in history actually outcompete their expected impact significantly. One of those was Howard Kendall. Another, despite his reputational dips, was David Moyes. Soccernomics explains this beautifully.

The implication is that managers have a far lesser impact on their clubs than people think they do. They do, more or less, what their budgets suggest - with the closest correlation between points won and wage spend on players.

 

[kenada_blue]

I see an attempt to improve the team but I don’t see any improvement in the way the team actually plays football. Whilst I can agree that the team has more grit and heart and fight than before they still can’t pass, can’t get forward in numbers and can’t keep possession. One can only hope that by signing gana and garner he will now be able to play Onana further forward and with Maupay up front and Dominic Calvert-Lewin coming back from injury the football in the final third will get better. Given the amount of signings made this summer I think frank will be even under more pressure if we don’t pick up a win soon. I sincerely hope for his sake that he can pull a rabbit out of the bag and bring us a win soon even if it isn’t against Liverpool or arsenal the match against West Ham at home should be looked at as a vital game to maybe kickstart the season with a win if we haven’t already got one by then.

Personally think we look very confident on the ball (Forest and Brentford) in large spells, play some nice football but don't have the threat up top so it can only last so long.

We can also look to mix it up and graft when needed.

To me it looks like what Carlo did when he was here but without the killer goal threat or bit of magic which is understandable at the moment. But I think consistency will be achieved quicker and longer.

 

[Blue Roo]

Statistically, it's actually the opposite. The vast majority of managers do no more or no worse than their budget suggests they should. Only a select few in history actually outcompete their expected impact significantly. One of those was Howard Kendall. Another, despite his reputational dips, was David Moyes. Soccernomics explains this beautifully.

The implication is that managers have a far lesser impact on their clubs than people think they do. They do, more or less, what their budgets suggest - with the closest correlation between points won and wage spend on players.

That the problem with stats, can be utterly misleading.
Does David Moyes win 4 out of the last 5 titles with City or does Pep have something to do with it?
Surely the money chases the best coaches as well.

 

[COYBL25]

He really wouldn’t. He’s absolutely useless.

He wouldn’t even made it into the box, the massive donkey.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I agree completely that he needs to be given a chance but it is not unconditional.
He needs to ensure that we are not threatened with relegation.
If we are threatened with relegation to the Championship, by not getting an average of a point per game, then unfortunately he is likely to be sacked.

I agree completely that he needs to be given a fair chance but if we are not getting enough points (around 1 per game) to be reasonably sure of not being relegated, when should we change manager?

Less than a point per game through 10 games is not the same as less than a point per game through 30

You can come back from less than a point per game through 10 if you're on an upward trajectory, which those managers we sacked most definitely were not

 

[Brennan]

That the problem with stats, can be utterly misleading.
Does David Moyes win 4 out of the last 5 titles with City or does Pep have something to do with it?
Surely the money chases the best coaches as well.

Moyes would have won all 5.

 

[Drico]

That the problem with stats, can be utterly misleading.
Does David Moyes win 4 out of the last 5 titles with City or does Pep have something to do with it?
Surely the money chases the best coaches as well.

It's interpretation's that can be misleading. The stats are what they are. In this case, they shown that a tiny proportion of managers statistically overachieved vis-a-vis their budgets (effectively what they paid players).

What they show was Moyes was great at earning Everton more points than we had a right to earn given what we paid our players. In there is also a reality that we were not in a position to buy top players. So, with lesser-paid players he earned more points than he would statistically be expected to. What he wasn't able to do was statistically overachieve when he had highly-paid players. So, you could say that he actually DID have a ceiling. He was more effective with cheaper players than he was with more expensive ones. Which is why his move to United was never likely to be the right fit, as many of us knew at the time. Dario Gradi was on the list too.

I haven't seen the latest edition of the Soccernomics table, but Guardiola may not be in even an updated version because he has routinely had the most expensive players in the world and done, more or less, what might be expected of him with those riches. His is an interesting case. He hasn't won the Champions League, which in many ways is the real barometer for the truly elite coaches to be judged against. I mean, given his near 15 seasons in that competition - against his true peers - he hasn't won the cup since 2011 - and never without, arguably, the best club player and team of all time. But, like F1 drivers, the biggest achievement of elite coaches is to command the top jobs - and Guardiola has managed to do that expertly.

 

[Martin Alvito]

That the problem with stats, can be utterly misleading.
Does David Moyes win 4 out of the last 5 titles with City or does Pep have something to do with it?
Surely the money chases the best coaches as well.

Have a tough time seeing Moyes making the right buys to put that City side together. It's a system team. If you have near-unlimited funds and a proven system, it's not hard to assemble, but you need the system first.

I agree completely that he needs to be given a chance but it is not unconditional.
He needs to ensure that we are not threatened with relegation.
If we are threatened with relegation to the Championship, by not getting an average of a point per game, then unfortunately he is likely to be sacked.

I agree completely that he needs to be given a fair chance but if we are not getting enough points (around 1 per game) to be reasonably sure of not being relegated, when should we change manager?

The next six are a mean set of fixtures. If he gets a win at Goodison from those and picks up points otherwise where he should, he probably gets a run out through the last four before the World Cup. Assuming he does some damage in those, he should survive long enough to get a few more Goodison fixtures on the other side of the break. At that point, we need to be out of the zone and heading in the right direction or there will be a change.

 

[Thomasc]

Be interesting to see what he considers to be his strongest XI when he has Onana, Gana, Iwobi and Garner all available for midfield positions, also what formation he will use.

Forward options of Gordon, Maupay, DCL, McNeil and Gray as well, surely the last 2 will be finding themselves on the bench if we have a fully for squad to choose from.

 

[Nymzee]

Be interesting to see what he considers to be his strongest XI when he has Onana, Gana, Iwobi and Garner all available for midfield positions, also what formation he will use.

Forward options of Gordon, Maupay, Dominic Calvert-Lewin, McNeil and Gray as well, surely the last 2 will be finding themselves on the bench if we have a fully for squad to choose from.

We have too many good midfielders and not enough fit CB’s to go back to 5-2-3 now.

 

[kenada_blue]

New look Ev for the season.

 

[Death]

Oh god, it is back

Frank is doing a good job in rebuilding the destruction caused by your fat kopite hero.

The Iron gentleman is doing a great job Spadge.. a great job!

 

[Death]

Back off slugs

Frank is here for the long term

Some lads on here Chris. Cant give a manager bit of time. What type of supporting your club is that?

2 years he gets.