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2022/23 Frank Lampard

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Colonel Getafe said:
It was hardly the plan to lose 4-1, was it. FL gave the squad players an opportunity to stake a claim, they didn't and he basically said they're not good enough to be first team players here. Should he have picked the strongest 11 possible? Clearly there is an argument for that, but he made the call, it's on him, now he has to vindicate that choice with a win on Saturday.
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Giving *all* the squad players a runout *with* a new formation was a mistake.

I never like changing from 4 to 3/5 at the back "for one game," or when a manager throws on an extra CB in the 80th minute, is bad. When the back line is most under stress the defenders need to know their jobs from training and muscle memory. These hadn't played in a long time so to throw them into that spot all at once and then have them play an unfamiliar scheme was setting up to fail, literally.

Also having Doucore and Davies playing together in that setup has failed every time.

Not to excuse the individual or collective performances which were atrocious. But it *might* have been ok to go with 3 CB's with some first-teamers in the side for continuity, *or* do some like for like swaps with our current setup, ie Davies for Gana or Vinagre for Myko might have been all right (formation wise, no excusing that butchered chance).

My brother texted me "are they trying to lose?" The best I can do is to think that FL wanted to give all the scrubs a shot, it sounded like they'd been whining about playing time so he gave them a shot and there are 3 CBs so he put them all in. From his comments it was, "ok, you want to play, show me," and it also was probably a shot to the board, "look at what you're making me play with." But again that's inviting failure, almost out of spite it seems.

Going to Bournemouth to play 5ATB is brutal. It's worse than anything Sam did in terms of negative football. It just sends the side out there with a loser mentality. Then as the errors compound and Frank throws them under the bus, not that they don't deserve it but he's foremost to blame... that Leicester game was tough but I don't know if the team was dispirited. The morale must have plummeted overnight. That we're going to Bournemouth in a game that's a must win just to get back to a non-toxic mindset.... this was a self-inflicted wound. Especially since this is the silverware that is most attainable and if you polled us right now and said "finish 16th and win the League Cup" we'd snap your hand off.

I back Frank but this is his biggest botch ever.
 
We concede a stupid amount of chances - we've had the most shots against us in the entire league.

That problem to me is mostly down to structure and the main blame there falls on Lampard.

However, only Newcastle, Arsenal and Manchester City have conceded fewer goals than us.

The credit there mostly belongs to Pickford and Tarkowski - they've saved or blocked close to 100 shots already this season. There's not a pairing in the Premier League that comes close to that, something is blatantly fundamentally wrong in the way Lampard is setting us up.
 

TimHowardsBeardJuice said:
Giving *all* the squad players a runout *with* a new formation was a mistake.

I never like changing from 4 to 3/5 at the back "for one game," or when a manager throws on an extra CB in the 80th minute, is bad. When the back line is most under stress the defenders need to know their jobs from training and muscle memory. These hadn't played in a long time so to throw them into that spot all at once and then have them play an unfamiliar scheme was setting up to fail, literally.

Also having Doucore and Davies playing together in that setup has failed every time.

Not to excuse the individual or collective performances which were atrocious. But it *might* have been ok to go with 3 CB's with some first-teamers in the side for continuity, *or* do some like for like swaps with our current setup, ie Davies for Gana or Vinagre for Myko might have been all right (formation wise, no excusing that butchered chance).

My brother texted me "are they trying to lose?" The best I can do is to think that FL wanted to give all the scrubs a shot, it sounded like they'd been whining about playing time so he gave them a shot and there are 3 CBs so he put them all in. From his comments it was, "ok, you want to play, show me," and it also was probably a shot to the board, "look at what you're making me play with." But again that's inviting failure, almost out of spite it seems.

Going to Bournemouth to play 5ATB is brutal. It's worse than anything Sam did in terms of negative football. It just sends the side out there with a loser mentality. Then as the errors compound and Frank throws them under the bus, not that they don't deserve it but he's foremost to blame... that Leicester game was tough but I don't know if the team was dispirited. The morale must have plummeted overnight. That we're going to Bournemouth in a game that's a must win just to get back to a non-toxic mindset.... this was a self-inflicted wound. Especially since this is the silverware that is most attainable and if you polled us right now and said "finish 16th and win the League Cup" we'd snap your hand off.

I back Frank but this is his biggest botch ever.
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Wasn't 5 at the back though. Patterson and Vinagre were probably our most forward thinking players. Wouldn't be surprised if both progressed and created more than Gordon did
 
zook said:
We concede a stupid amount of chances - we've had the most shots against us in the entire league.

That problem to me is mostly down to structure and the main blame there falls on Lampard.

However, only Newcastle, Arsenal and Manchester City have conceded fewer goals than us.

The credit there mostly belongs to Pickford and Tarkowski - they've saved or blocked close to 100 shots already this season. There's not a pairing in the Premier League that comes close to that, something is blatantly fundamentally wrong in the way Lampard is setting us up.
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Lack of effective team press higher up the pitch.
 
zook said:
We concede a stupid amount of chances - we've had the most shots against us in the entire league.

That problem to me is mostly down to structure and the main blame there falls on Lampard.

However, only Newcastle, Arsenal and Manchester City have conceded fewer goals than us.

The credit there mostly belongs to Pickford and Tarkowski - they've saved or blocked close to 100 shots already this season. There's not a pairing in the Premier League that comes close to that, something is blatantly fundamentally wrong in the way Lampard is setting us up.
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It's the Big Sam / Steve Bruce tactic of defending deep and keeping it tight and hoping to snatch a goal.
 
jinkyali said:
I suspect we end up with Martinez in January and then Moyes leading us into BMD.
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So..... we're going to re-hire a bloke who nearly got us relegated and who took the owner to court over his payoff, then we're going to sack him again a little bit down the line with another payoff, and re-hire the bloke we passed over a few times previously who is currently in a settled job at a stable club? Makes perfic sense. ?
 


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