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Gana and his technicolour football shirt (that he doesn't like)

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Brett Angell Delight said:
Wow. Super edgy.

Why don’t you consider that if a player is openly in opposition to the value of inclusivity that our club supposedly adheres to, the club shouldn’t employ him? The reasons behind his stance on the issue are really neither here nor there when you risk alienating a section of the club’s fanbase who will consider this a statement by the club on their rights to love whomever they choose.

And before you dive back in with your heroic defence of the Muslim faith, also consider that there are many, many Muslims who openly support LGBTQ+ rights and, at the time of writing, have yet to spontaneously combust.

Gana is free, and right, to believe whatever he sees fit. There are plenty of soulless football clubs around the world who wouldn’t think twice about employing him and the message that would send to supporters. I’m just disappointed that ours is one of them. Possibly shouldn’t be surprised, after the gambling sponsorship u-turn but here we are.

We most definitely need to drop “The People’s Club” moniker after this, though.
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It’s hardly edgy is it. Religious text says something is forbidden on a list of forbidden things, so person who is devout follower of religion thinks it’s all forbidden. Binomial. If it’s on the list you’re going to hell.

I don’t believe in that shizz - personally I think if society deems it ok as a collective then it should be passed into law as legal (or not criminal) and everything goes on. However. When laws pass two things as legal, and they have a juxtaposition on an outlook, then legally both have a place to exist without persecution for following the guidelines which they are legally entitled to follow, no???

And forcing a Muslim who believes homosexuality is not gods way to wear a rainbow top supporting LGBTQ++ isn’t cool (IMO) … it’s sends the wrong message about us being the peoples club in the ‘live and let live’ mantra… because what you’re saying is ‘live and let live… unless you’re not living my way’
 
Paul Rideout said:
It’s hardly edgy is it. Religious text says something is forbidden on a list of forbidden things, so person who is devout follower of religion thinks it’s all forbidden. Binomial. If it’s on the list you’re going to hell.

I don’t believe in that shizz - personally I think if society deems it ok as a collective then it should be passed into law as legal (or not criminal) and everything goes on. However. When laws pass two things as legal, and they have a juxtaposition on an outlook, then legally both have a place to exist without persecution for following the guidelines which they are legally entitled to follow, no???

And forcing a Muslim who believes homosexuality is not gods way to wear a rainbow top isn’t cool (IMO) same way we shouldn’t force a lesbian to wear a Niqab.
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Despite plenty of evidence of copious amounts of bumming going on in religious texts
 
Paul Rideout said:
It’s hardly edgy is it. Religious text says something is forbidden on a list of forbidden things, so person who is devout follower of religion thinks it’s all forbidden. Binomial. If it’s on the list you’re going to hell.

I don’t believe in that shizz - personally I think if society deems it ok as a collective then it should be passed into law as legal (or not criminal) and everything goes on. However. When laws pass two things as legal, and they have a juxtaposition on an outlook, then legally both have a place to exist without persecution for following the guidelines which they are legally entitled to follow, no???

And forcing a Muslim who believes homosexuality is not gods way to wear a rainbow top isn’t cool (IMO) same way we shouldn’t force a lesbian to wear a Niqab.
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He can believe it's not gods way, but his football club are actively supporting an initiative and I would expect a player being paid millions per year by said club to get on with it. Plenty of other muslim players have done so, by shunning it altogether he's highlighting his bigotry is all.
 
dublinbluenose said:
Despite plenty of evidence of copious amounts of bumming going on in religious texts
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I have zero zero respect for religion… I think it’s a dated moral handbook written by people to keep society in check under this fear of eternal damnation for breaking their rules…

… but forcing someone to wear something That goes against their belief system and chastising Then for refusing to openly adhere to that thing is horrific. I wouldn’t force him to eat pork or drink beer either.
 
LocalNative said:
He can believe it's not gods way, but his football club are actively supporting an initiative and I would expect a player being paid millions per year by said club to get on with it. Plenty of other muslim players have done so, by shunning it altogether he's highlighting his bigotry is all.
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Cool, and Christian’s support gay partnerships despite it being a no no in the bible… but I guarantee there are some who think it’s a sin.

Chastising him for respectfully declining to west a top that goes against his beliefs imo is hypocracy of what a tolerant society is by definition, no?
 

dublinbluenose said:
I've been told the real reason he wouldn't wear the rainbow laces is that he is unable to actually lace his own boots.

Huge if true.
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Maybe he takes the rainbow flag to be what it originally was before the LGBTQ++ community hijacked it for their own cause… the Christian Church!!!

The religious war still goes on in Africa! Lol
 
Fair enough. It's just you made quite an assumption about other people's level of tolerance.

People of my generation saw ( and participated in) unbelievable levels of racism, homophobia and sexism. It has improved immensely but still a lot to do. It's generational change, in my uneducated opinion. For clarity, I don't expect Gana nor any individual to take responsibility for the way society/religions behave but that doesn't mean we shouldn't call it out. Failure to do so empowers the thugs which has real life consequences.

LGBT (no need for hilarious extra random letters) rights are simply human rights. Just a couple of years back, an attempt was made to introduce a 'Conscience Clause ' in Northern Ireland which effectively would have allowed hotels, restaurants etc to refuse to serve gay people. The threat is still present and real hence the need to stay alert.

Finally, if Gana signs, I'll be roaring him on! I'm not feckin' stupid, like!
 
Paul Rideout said:
Maybe he takes the rainbow flag to be what it originally was before the LGBTQ++ community hijacked it for their own cause… the Christian Church!!!

The religious war still goes on in Africa! Lol
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Ah, God's promise not to kill every single person on the planet (bar Noah's posse) again. Still don't know why he just didn't do big sky writing or something.
 
Paul Rideout said:
Cool, and Christian’s support gay partnerships despite it being a no no in the bible… but I guarantee there are some who think it’s a sin.

Chastising him for respectfully declining to west a top that goes against his beliefs imo is hypocracy of what a tolerant society is by definition, no?
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They might think it's a sin mate, but they don't refuse to play in a shirt because it features a slogan they're not happy about.

No hypocrisy about it. In fact, the only thing hypocritical is that Gana is happy to take millions from the club every year but refuse to support/acknowledge his club's initiatives and beliefs.
 

Paul Rideout said:
I have zero zero respect for religion… I think it’s a dated moral handbook written by people to keep society in check under this fear of eternal damnation for breaking their rules…

… but forcing someone to wear something That goes against their belief system and chastising Then for refusing to openly adhere to that thing is horrific. I wouldn’t force him to eat pork or drink beer either.
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But he wore Chang on his shirt? Beretta sponsor us. Nobody is asking him to drink and eat the stuff, just as no one is asking him to do gay stuff ?

The rest, I agree with you.
 
LocalNative said:
They might think it's a sin mate, but they don't refuse to play in a shirt because it features a slogan they're not happy about.

No hypocrisy about it. In fact, the only thing hypocritical is that Gana is happy to take millions from the club every year but refuse to support/acknowledge his club's initiatives and beliefs.
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Christian soccer player who refused to wear pride jersey not on U.S. World Cup roster - Outsports

The USWNT announced their 23-player roster for the 2019 World Cup and Jaelene Hinkle’s name isn’t on it
www.outsports.com www.outsports.com

I'll leave this here... first example which provides evidence to the contrary of your statement.

second point - you're advocating following the collective beliefs of the club (not mandated in the contract I would wager btw) at the sacrifice of the individuals? Sounds like an ideology from the soviet union.
 
Surely we have to look for a way to show support for causes that doesn't put individuals in the spotlight.

The whole thing is sometimes counter-productive and causes more harm than good. Also, if it's expected that everyone does it (like the taking the knee and poppies), is it really a sincere gesture? I'm definitely not against any of the gestures, just question the effectiveness, by the way.

Is it possible to find practical, on the ground support for these causes? Everton are usually very good at that sort of thing.
 

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