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Gareth Barry

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For anyone critisising Barry, this is why i was saying in the summer i didnt want him to sign for us. He is only getting older and less effective. The player that started 2014 was nowhere near the one that ended 2013 whether you care to admit it or not.

see i dont get this atitude, oh no barry isnt past it, he isnt declining etc. Funny there is a bunch of fans close by who are saying the same about their old midfielder and yet you also dont agree with that thought.
 
Ashtonian said:
For anyone critisising Barry, this is why i was saying in the summer i didnt want him to sign for us. He is only getting older and less effective. The player that started 2014 was nowhere near the one that ended 2013 whether you care to admit it or not.

see i dont get this atitude, oh no barry isnt past it, he isnt declining etc. Funny there is a bunch of fans close by who are saying the same about their old midfielder and yet you also dont agree with that thought.
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People just have a different opinion - there shouldnt be an issue with that.

I think a fit Gareth Barry (unlike Sunday when he was off the pace) is just as important to the side as James McCarthy.

He plays the holding role fantastically, dictates the play and tempo and allows Barkley et al to focus their efforts on attacking the space.

He arguably had the best season of his career last season and this year with Barkley out he was being asked to be chief playmaker which was causing all sorts of problems.

Everyone fit and firing - Gareth Barry is an 'incredible' asset and one we should enjoy whilst he is with us.
 
mkrudden said:
People just have a different opinion - there shouldnt be an issue with that.

I think a fit Gareth Barry (unlike Sunday when he was off the pace) is just as important to the side as James McCarthy.

He plays the holding role fantastically, dictates the play and tempo and allows Barkley et al to focus their efforts on attacking the space.

He arguably had the best season of his career last season and this year with Barkley out he was being asked to be chief playmaker which was causing all sorts of problems.

Everyone fit and firing - Gareth Barry is an 'incredible' asset and one we should enjoy whilst he is with us.
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I'd agree with this. I don't think Barry has too many years left in him sadly, but right now he is a key player.
 
Ashtonian said:
For anyone critisising Barry, this is why i was saying in the summer i didnt want him to sign for us. He is only getting older and less effective. The player that started 2014 was nowhere near the one that ended 2013 whether you care to admit it or not.

see i dont get this atitude, oh no barry isnt past it, he isnt declining etc. Funny there is a bunch of fans close by who are saying the same about their old midfielder and yet you also dont agree with that thought.
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We need Barry - Besic may pass the ball well but he gives the ball away too much, and is the first player you would think that would get a booking, with his rash challenges. Gibson is a sick note and Barry is very good on the ball and is position play is normally excellent (if he can teach Besic, then we would all be happy).
 
mkrudden said:
People just have a different opinion - there shouldnt be an issue with that.

I think a fit Gareth Barry (unlike Sunday when he was off the pace) is just as important to the side as James McCarthy.

He plays the holding role fantastically, dictates the play and tempo and allows Barkley et al to focus their efforts on attacking the space.

He arguably had the best season of his career last season and this year with Barkley out he was being asked to be chief playmaker which was causing all sorts of problems.

Everyone fit and firing - Gareth Barry is an 'incredible' asset and one we should enjoy whilst he is with us.
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I just see a player who, like gerrard, is getting praise for doing very little now simply because of who he is. Now im not saying barry isnt playing that well but i see midfields getting through and him not being there to break it up, whereas the first half of last season it was him that was getting into those spaces and winning the ball back. There is more emphasis on Jimmy now than before (again like them lot) and id rather see besic play than barry and develop a long term partnership instead of playing barry because he can bring epxerience to the team.

there will be plenty of experience in 3 years when jimmy and besic have played together most weeks.
 

ijjysmith said:
I'd agree with this. I don't think Barry has too many years left in him sadly, but right now he is a key player.
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Absolutely, especially in that holding role.

Could his career be extended with a stint at CB? Could be worth an explore...

We just need to remember where we are and where we were with regards to players on our books.

It wasnt that long ago that our options at CM were the likes of Osman, Neville, Fellaini, Rodwell - all decent at different roles (im sure ill get bashed for that) but none of which are of the level of McCarthy, Barry, Besic (potentially), Barkley (potentially)
 
Ashtonian said:
I just see a player who, like gerrard, is getting praise for doing very little now simply because of who he is. Now im not saying barry isnt playing that well but i see midfields getting through and him not being there to break it up, whereas the first half of last season it was him that was getting into those spaces and winning the ball back. There is more emphasis on Jimmy now than before (again like them lot) and id rather see besic play than barry and develop a long term partnership instead of playing barry because he can bring epxerience to the team.

there will be plenty of experience in 3 years when jimmy and besic have played together most weeks.
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Without going over old ground, I do agree with you - in the early part of the season he wasnt doing his job properly in disrupting opposition attacks.

That was Martinez' fault for me though in his over-reliance on Barkley - my only grumble with the manager.

With Barkley out we were playing Naismith there who wants 'feeding' rather than being the creator for Lukaku. This meant that Barry had to get the ball and drive forward looking to create an opportunity. He hasnt the legs to be box to box and so when the ball was being turned-over there was no-one there protecting the back four as he always does as our 'insurance policy'.

With Barkley back now he brings energy and shape to the side (even if bizzarely we arent seeing him in that role too much - possibly because we have realised that Eto'o can do a decent job) and therefore Barry can go back to what he does best which I think we will see as soon as he gets fit again.

I agree with @davek in that for all of Naismiths qualities, and i do like the lad, playing him does distort other areas of our play which is why I would always prefer Barkley behind Lukaku.

All opinions though ey mate
 
mkrudden said:
He plays the holding role fantastically, dictates the play and tempo
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I agree with the first part, that he can play the defensive holding roll well, but I don't agree with the latter part. Or if he is dictating the play and tempo, then he is slowing us down and not providing enough for our forwards.

It's not good enough imo, we need a central midfielder who can create and contribute to attacks.
 
Dymak said:
I agree with the first part, that he can play the defensive holding roll well, but I don't agree with the latter part. Or if he is dictating the play and tempo, then he is slowing us down and not providing enough for our forwards.

It's not good enough imo, we need a central midfielder who can create and contribute to attacks.
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Sort of.

I guess that's half the problem with playing 2 defensive midfielders ALL the time. McCarthy is a bit better at getting forward than Barry or Besic, but none of them do it enough for me.
 

Dymak said:
I agree with the first part, that he can play the defensive holding roll well, but I don't agree with the latter part. Or if he is dictating the play and tempo, then he is slowing us down and not providing enough for our forwards.

It's not good enough imo, we need a central midfielder who can create and contribute to attacks.
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based on when? Against spurs?
 
mikeh72 said:
Rubbish. The ball bounced a yard away from the line, which he was stood on. Watch it again. He is literally stood still while the ball bobbles in, it's not as if he's still travelling to the right
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He's just wrong footed. Nothing he could do.
 

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