General Meeting

[deipnosophist]

Don't be so bloody stupid

...and you stop being a massive plonker.

 

[Steve Wigan]

He adds to it:

The appointment of Allardyce, the appointment of Baxendale, and his statement about having turned Everton from 'a museum' into 'a competitive outfit' scream mediocrity or worse.

He's not a man who'll orchestrate a recovery of this club. No chance.

The Allardyce appointment was a necessary evil, and in some ways the most successful of all, because it did exactly what was required. Too early to say with Ms Baxendale, but she has a good pedigree and given the limited brief of her job(she has less responsibility than her predecessor) I think theres a good chance she'll be a success. I hope youre not judging her 'cos she is a woman' Dave.

 

[Neiler]

The difficulty we have experienced is that we lost three of our best players: [John] Stones, [Ross] Barkley and Romelu [Lukaku],” said Moshiri. “They were young players on low wages.
“For us to lose Stones, you get £45 million but he was on very low wages. To replace him with a defender of that quality you need to pay him £200,000-a-week.

“We didn’t do that but in replacing these three players we had to spend a lot of money and pay high wages. That is the difficulty — like for like.
“To replace Romelu — we sold him for £75 million and he was on £70,000-a-week — you would have to pay £130 million and £250,000-a-week. That is the challenge.

“It is why football experts of Marcel’s calibre are needed. To comply with Financial Fair Play you need to go for younger players on lower wages. You may need to pay big fees but you have to keep the wages down.

I dont disagree with the spirit of what he is saying and i have given my own opinion on it above, but i think he over does the bleeding heart bit here, there was no need for us to sell Lukaku in particular, it was a stupid move.

He used the fees to augment the kitty that summer (still is) and poor judgement in recruitment was telling. Id have very little sympathy for us, hopefully lessons learned, we elected to sell.

 

[Steve Wigan]

...72 points. L4, for one brief, shining season was Camelot.

….but the king didn't know 'How To Handle a defence'..

 

[Goat]

I dont disagree with the spirit of what he is saying and i have given my own opinion on it above, but i think he over does the bleeding heart bit here, there was no need for us to sell Lukaku in particular, it was a stupid move.

He used the fees to augment the kitty that summer and poor judgement in recruitment was telling. Id have very little sympathy for us, hopefully lessons learned, we elected to sell.

We really didnt have a choice.

I know you will say we did, but we didnt.

 

[Brisan123]

The question from @mkrudden is a very good one and a worthwhile one. I think he would be a tad stupid not to at least have some regrets about the Martinez sacking. I would say it saw a radical overhaul in terms of the fans perceptions to managers. We had previously been a club who hadn't sacked a manager in the best part of 15 years (and just sacked 1 in the previous 18 years). Attitudes are conditioned to a lesser or greater degree by behaviour. We had been conditioned to give managers and projects time.

We are now onto 4 managers in less than 3 years under Moshiri, and in truth are very little further along the journey than when he first came, apart from him investing large sums of money to initially clear the balance sheet and then to spend money on transfers.

That being said I think the situation became quite untenable for Martinez quite quickly. The level of anger towards the board at him not being sacked after the Liverpool game for example was enormous. I am not sure he could have kept going for much longer and it's clear the dressing room was lost as were people above him.

Moshiri came in though, after a great win against Chelsea in the FA CUP quarter final. He could have decided to back Martinez at that point. Had he have done, and allowed him to spend some of the funds available I do think we'd have been in a better situation than we are now. Alternatively he could have moved him on earlier, perhaps given Unsworth a run at the job and kept him in charge.

For me the big mistake was the identification and subsequent chase of Koeman.

If Moshiri had managed to get Brands when he first attempted it ( summer of 2016) things would have been a whole lot different
Brands would have identified a manager to suit his philosophy and worked with him
Hell he may have even said keep Martinez for 1 season and I’ll get him 3/4 decent players and see how he does

 

[Neiler]

We really didnt have a choice.

I know you will say we did, but we didnt.

Yeah safe to say we have different opinions.

One of the stupidest actions (the whole process) ive ever experienced at Everton, still imapcting.

 

[Strikinglyhandsome1]

...72 points. L4, for one brief, shining season was Camelot.

Then the holes started appear. Mainly in our defence.

 

[Brisan123]

Yeah safe to say we have different opinions.

One of the stupidest actions (the whole process) ive ever experienced at Everton, still imapcting.

Lukaku wanted to go
From day one we were a stepping stone for him

 

[Neiler]

Lukaku wanted to go
From day one we were a stepping stone for him

I wouldnt dispte he wanted to go, it was clear he was tapped up.

As i said i dont accept or agree with the passive way in which we sold him, personally i wouldn't have and would have had broad shoulders around all drams, threats, player power and tantrums, we are football club and business on both those scores it was a bad decision, one we are still reeling from.

 

[davek]

I think Everton being referred to as a museum was actually insulting to the Moyes era when they were very much competitive, as they were in Martinez first season. Perhaps not quite at the top table but competitive. His investment however does give us the opportunity to be competitive on the field and in commercial matters, a chance to actually be a 'top club' again.

I guarantee you that you wouldn' be saying that if the Lukaku and Stones cash + a massive £50M pa increase in tv revenue hadn't been available the moment he took over. Even Kenwright could have funded a spending spree with that twin mega windfall.

His real cash outlay has been on buying up club debt to impose a vice like grip on control.

 

[davek]

The Allardyce appointment was a necessary evil, and in some ways the most successful of all, because it did exactly what was required. Too early to say with Ms Baxendale, but she has a good pedigree and given the limited brief of her job(she has less responsibility than her predecessor) I think theres a good chance she'll be a success. I hope youre not judging her 'cos she is a woman' Dave.

I'm judging her because she's quite obvioulsy a cat's paw... gender doesn't come into it.

And Allardyce's appointment was not "a necessary evil", it was done because Moshiri didn't have a clue about appointning a decent coach when he arrived and was conned by the conman's conman in the shape of Koeman...and then the genius decided to double-down on his massive error by employing a neanderthal and losing us a lot of respect in the football world because of it.

I've seen enough and heard enough of Moshiri to know he's a clown.

 

[Brisan123]

I wouldnt dispte he wanted to go, it was clear he was tapped up.

As i said i dont accept or agree with the passive way in which we sold him, personally i wouldn't have and would have had broad shoulders around all drams, threats, player power and tantrums, we are football club and business on both those scores it was a bad decision, one we are still reeling from.

I agree he was tapped up
But when he was tapped up he wanted to go
He had 2 years left on his contract , wouldn’t sign a new one , so we maximised our profit on him
I agree we fell down badly in not replacing him
Even spending 50/60 m on a proven European /PlL striker would have seen us better off

 

[Neiler]

I agree he was tapped up
But when he was tapped up he wanted to go
He had 2 years left on his contract , wouldn’t sign a new one , so we maximised our profit on him
I agree we fell down badly in not replacing him
Even spending 50/60 m on a proven European /PlL striker would have seen us better off

Yeah I just don’t agree with that point of view mate, a year to go certainty, but two years there was about 40% left on his contract and I would have been confident of getting a similar or better fee after the World Cup, while we kept him for another year.

I think we and that point of view is passive we are not here to just take part, we look to our own interests first, before the player, agent and whoever else.

It’s was a weak and poor decison.

I understand the other point of view, I just don’t agree with it.

 

[Rob17896]

I guarantee you that you wouldn' be saying that if the Lukaku and Stones cash + a massive £50M pa increase in tv revenue hadn't been available the moment he took over. Even Kenwright could have funded a spending spree with that twin mega windfall.

His real cash outlay has been on buying up club debt to impose a vice like grip on control.

Davek. I have no doubt he is a shrewd operator but do you really think without him behind the wheel we could have done so much with transfers and the management structure/stadium? No chance! Bill had the will but not the means.