Robert Jarvis
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Lampard's shot didn't even go in by the way
Brilliant. Notice where the referee is!
Germany v England. Sunday 27th June @ 15.00.
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Brilliant. Notice where the referee is!
Blue Ray
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nesky
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Apologies if posted, but this is a MUST READ on the subject of why England are perennially crap: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/0629/1224273557820.html
Cena
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Stunning article that and so so right.
Cracking article that.
Jamo Martinez
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Superb article. Definitely think the culture of fear is an underlying factor in the failure at international level.
I remember clearly when the rs won their first European Cup in 1977, Jimmy Hill advocated using the 9 English players in the starting line up as the basis for the national team. If you consider that the two finalists in the 74 WC final, Holland and West Germany, were built around the Ajax team which had won the European Cup from 71- 73 and the Bayern Munich side which had won that year's tournament (and would go on to win the next two), the idea is not so ludicrous. In the 70s and 80s we had a pool of talent, and creative players were in abundance. However we failed to even qualify for the WC in 74 or 78. The same culture was in play obviously. When Glen Hoddle was at his peak as a player, The English media regularly repeated the mantra that Bryan Robson was our only world class player. The same culture which allows a Steven Gerrard countless opportunities yet Joe Cole can't get an automatic starting place as he might take a risk with the ball. It's time we changed
http://www.wsag.org/2010/07/back-home-2/#more-1874
Liked this a lot, O'Brien is usually excellent like.
Liked this a lot, O'Brien is usually excellent like.
Cena
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Another stunning article. Sums up my thoughts exactly. The bit about the soldiers is so true its uncanny.
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There are many reasons why England isn't very good in international tourneys. However I still think that a major reason is UEFA qualifying.
When England plays good teams and Northern Ireland England's players are most likely suited to playing on the counterattack. After all they'll never be able to kick it around like Spain and Holland. How many chances to they get a chance to practice and develop chemistry playing a counterattacking style in a competetive match? When its time for WC 2014 qualification England will be a 1-seed. These are a few teams that maybe/will be a 2 seed: Switzerland, Poland, Greece, Sweden, Ukraine. All 5 of those teams (especially, Greece and the swiss) park the bus for 90 min. Not exactly a way to perfect playing on the counterattack and in all likelyhood that will be the best team you'll face in the 18 month runup for the WC. At least Spain could practice spreading it around even against teams like Albania etc. Meanwhile SA qualifying puts you in situtations where you are matched up with average teams in hellish conditions and Brasil, Argentina, Chile and Urugray twice. Its no surprise that the SA is kicking ass. Hell for all the critising of Argentina in qualifying its now apparent that they didn't underachieve as much as originally thought. In other words you are trying to win a major tourney when you are in a group that for all intensive purposes 5 of 7 teams aren't even Championship League quality.
Given that 24 teams are in Euros you could keep that qualifying the way it is. However for the WC you need qualifiers for the group stages. Whittle it down to say 4 groups of 6-7 teams with the top 3 advancing. So in other words you'd have:
1 seeds: Holland, Spain, Italy, Scotland (uh just kidding) Germany.
2 seeds: England, Portugal, France, Russia
3-6 seeds would consist of this pot: Croatia, Greece, Poland, Swiss, Ukraine, Turkey, Serbia, Chech Rep, Slovenia, Slovakia, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, Denmark, Scotland?, Isreal.
In the current qualifying system the best team you would face say Turkey (which even we spanked 3-1).
When you weed out the minnows this could be your group: You'll be in a group with teams like Holland, Denmark, Turkey, Ireland, Isreal. 3 advance so if you play well and get qualification wrapped up early you could try out the young guys against a quality team on the road and the younguns will finally be able to get the experience that they currently need as most of them are denied playing time by their Club and country.
When England plays good teams and Northern Ireland England's players are most likely suited to playing on the counterattack. After all they'll never be able to kick it around like Spain and Holland. How many chances to they get a chance to practice and develop chemistry playing a counterattacking style in a competetive match? When its time for WC 2014 qualification England will be a 1-seed. These are a few teams that maybe/will be a 2 seed: Switzerland, Poland, Greece, Sweden, Ukraine. All 5 of those teams (especially, Greece and the swiss) park the bus for 90 min. Not exactly a way to perfect playing on the counterattack and in all likelyhood that will be the best team you'll face in the 18 month runup for the WC. At least Spain could practice spreading it around even against teams like Albania etc. Meanwhile SA qualifying puts you in situtations where you are matched up with average teams in hellish conditions and Brasil, Argentina, Chile and Urugray twice. Its no surprise that the SA is kicking ass. Hell for all the critising of Argentina in qualifying its now apparent that they didn't underachieve as much as originally thought. In other words you are trying to win a major tourney when you are in a group that for all intensive purposes 5 of 7 teams aren't even Championship League quality.
Given that 24 teams are in Euros you could keep that qualifying the way it is. However for the WC you need qualifiers for the group stages. Whittle it down to say 4 groups of 6-7 teams with the top 3 advancing. So in other words you'd have:
1 seeds: Holland, Spain, Italy, Scotland (uh just kidding) Germany.
2 seeds: England, Portugal, France, Russia
3-6 seeds would consist of this pot: Croatia, Greece, Poland, Swiss, Ukraine, Turkey, Serbia, Chech Rep, Slovenia, Slovakia, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, Denmark, Scotland?, Isreal.
In the current qualifying system the best team you would face say Turkey (which even we spanked 3-1).
When you weed out the minnows this could be your group: You'll be in a group with teams like Holland, Denmark, Turkey, Ireland, Isreal. 3 advance so if you play well and get qualification wrapped up early you could try out the young guys against a quality team on the road and the younguns will finally be able to get the experience that they currently need as most of them are denied playing time by their Club and country.
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Thats a good post mate, international football isnt realistic or representitive of a teams true abilty - the seeding ensures the biggest markets always end up qualifying for tournaments. International football is extreamely leveraged and all baout comercialism and spoonsership - you cant and i dont take it to seriously!
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