I think the point GSG was trying to get to is how many players have we sold at their peak with us. Fellaini and Lescott both fit that profile. Lukaku too. Arteta would maybe fit that...he wasn't too far from peak Everton Arteta.
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I think the point GSG was trying to get to is how many players have we sold at their peak with us. Fellaini and Lescott both fit that profile. Lukaku too. Arteta would maybe fit that...he wasn't too far from peak Everton Arteta.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Arteta was past his peak when we sold him, it's why no one was really that bothered at the time.
Agreed but he did captain Arsenal, so he did something right...was why I was willing to accept Goats's view of him.
BornBlue76
Player Valuation: £35m
Arteta is my all time favourite but he was well past his best.. I was personally happy to see him get a chance to have some silverware in his cupboard before he hung up his boots. Was fair for him and allowed us to lose the Arteta money in "other expenses".
Nah, can't bring myself to agree with that...or Stones, both started off pretty well to begin with. Felli's about as close as it gets as his start with us was pretty inauspicious.
What I was mainly trying to throw out there is how well (or not) our coaching seems to be on an individual level when you actually delve in to it. There's not one person that really springs to mind that went from being pretty poor to making a large improvement as an individual in their position and then us selling them for a large sum of money. Lescott started fine, Arteta wasn't a mess, Rooney was gifted from the word go, why Real took Gravesen is anyone's guess. It's not easy to answer and makes me raise an eyebrow; it's not something I'd ever really questioned that closely until last night.
We make improvements as a team here and there but I can't recall one player making significant individual improvements that made you take a step back...especially when it comes to reading the game and making decisions. Player development, basically... Not attempting to pull a sourpuss here, but it's genuinely vexing me. Someone set me straight.
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Know what I'm sayin'...? Never really considered it until last night and now it's bugging (and worrying) me.
I dunno. I think Lescott moving from left back to a top center back shouldn't be sniffed at. Baines was good when he got here but developed into one of the best LB's in Europe. I think Jagielka definitely improved from when he arrived to his peak. Coleman definitely did as well. I'm sure I could come up with others. I mean Distin actually learned how to play the ball on the deck...even if he went badly gash there at the end.
Great question but hard to sort out. Did Spurs develop Harry Kane, or is the credit given to Orient, Millwall, Norwich, and Leicester?
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
It’s a bit unfair that you are including that we had to have sold them on at their peaks. Baines went from Wigan leftback to one of the best in Europe. I’m sure we could have sold him around 2010-12 if we’d wanted to. Coleman from 60k Irish league player to best right back in the prem. Jagielka from championship midfielder to England international, Lescott from championship centreback to England international and then league winner, John Stones from Barnsley right back to England international. There’s loads of examples. Holgate is currently coming along well.
What I will say is that player development seems to have stalled somewhat since Moyes left with several good prospects not really kicking on as they should (Barkley Besic Deulofeu). I don’t think anyone can knock us though for player development. It’s an easy one to criticise, anyone who does become good you can just say were good anyway and anyone who doesn’t you can blame the club.
Black Belt Jones
Player Valuation: £25m
Loads of examples have been given - it sounds like you're defining player development as turd polishing and we all know that cannot be done. Asking for examples of someone pretty poor becoming a strong player is a very marginal viewpoint as that hardly happens anywhere [name me an example from another club?]. Even then we have an example of it with Coleman - he arrived as an athlete who couldn't play premiership football. Player development at prem level is all about taking good players and making them better.
Arteta was a technically excellent player from day one, yet he was let go from Rangers and couldn't get a game for Real Soceidad. In three years with us he was top 10% midfielder in the prem - how is that not development?
toffeejack
Player Valuation: £100m
The way I see it atm, we have our starting XI, you line up one backup for each position and then you name one player for each position e.g. Hewelt, Martina, Mccarthy/vlasic and dcl.
That gives you 25 players and anyone who doesn't fit in that 25 needs to be sold or loaned dependant on age.
So atm
We just need buyers.
That gives you 25 players and anyone who doesn't fit in that 25 needs to be sold or loaned dependant on age.
So atm
Pickford
Stek
Coleman Keane jagielka baines
Kenny Holgate Williams Robinson
Gueye Schneiderlin
Davies Besic
Walcott Siggurdsson richarlison
Bolasie Lookman Sandro
Tosun
Niasse
So that gives us our 22 atm (yes I know some will say some are higher in the pecking order etc.) so you add in the four I mentioned above and anyone else needs to be shipped out. Every time we buy someone e.g. Digne we need to look to ship out Robinson.Stek
Coleman Keane jagielka baines
Kenny Holgate Williams Robinson
Gueye Schneiderlin
Davies Besic
Walcott Siggurdsson richarlison
Bolasie Lookman Sandro
Tosun
Niasse
We just need buyers.
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