SpongeBob brown shoes
Player Valuation: £40m
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bol-uk
Player Valuation: £50m
When did we last create a good HOME atmosphere against a team like watford? Like I said, we need a catalyst. If we goal a goal down or the ref is a whopper, the fans might get on board but if we are playing OK and winning 1-0 it is like a morgue. Nothing to do with the players/manager.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
Play behind closed doors, actually I wouldn't mind a media blackout also. We could have a blank space where it would usually say Everton in the results and league table.
The club has hit the skids. The direction we thought we had when Moshiri came aboard, the introduction of Koeman and Walsh, the new stadium, squad investment - it all seems pie in the sky now. That said are we, the fans, expecting too much too soon? As the saying goes Rome wasn't built in a day but something drastic needs to happen and quick whether that is a change of manager and/or board reappraisal ie. massive funding, BK getting ousted, one owner status (to avoid unnecessary intervention from other parties with their own agendas) and deffo some news/images of the likely BMD design.
BUT, and absolutely, a sea change in the style of our play to get bums off seats and to reawaken the Old Lady. She may be in her twilight years but there is still some life in the old girl yet and l would hate to see her go out with a whimper instead of a snarl.
BUT, and absolutely, a sea change in the style of our play to get bums off seats and to reawaken the Old Lady. She may be in her twilight years but there is still some life in the old girl yet and l would hate to see her go out with a whimper instead of a snarl.
SpongeBob brown shoes
Player Valuation: £40m
Don't get me wrong, there is definitely something wrong at Goodison but it's not just on a one game basis, it goes back a few seasons now where we've been served up spineless performances and paid for the privilege then it's the expectation that's come over those seasons were we start believing that we're going somewhere only for us to take one step forward then 2 back, it's gone on that long now that I think even when we do play well the fans automatic response is 'Everton that' and we sit and wait for the inevitable equaliser and be the laughing stock, it's going to take something major to stop that attitude but a good start would be players putting in a shift, players half arsed performances and managers playing certain players over others just adds to the fume
lancs blue
Player Valuation: £35m
The people's club my backside
Your backside is the People’s Club?
Spot on.
We've been lied to and sold false hope for that long, that the fans have become disillusioned.
It's human nature.
If anything we should be booing more loudly at the moment and Koeman out banners should be compulsory.
I never understand these threads...
As said earlier, we're never going to beat drums for 90 minutes or sing ridiculous anthems, because we react honestly to what we see on the pitch.
The fans still have the philosophy of winners; the team have not for a long time. That's the disconnect. And the fans are 100% right on this.
You saw people, en masse, chant for Niasse when he scored because it gave us something to react to - honest, real professional effort and the desire to do well. He didn't need a song from the crowd to perform; he did it himself.
When Everton do the right things on the pitch, Goodison bounces. And I don't mean "sing when we're winning" - we're anything but that. Stracqualursi is a cult icon just because he put effort in despite being gash.
Yes, the crowd aren't exactly knowledgeable about football to a massive degree - see the treatment of Barkley for example, which comes from loads of fans collectively not understanding what he does - but over the years we've also applauded technical effort like from Arteta, so it's not a "dogs of war" hangover either.
We are not the only club fanbase like this right now; in fact, the only teams that have "atmosphere" are the drum-beating weapons who I'd absolutely detest us to be.
No, the blame if you want to allocate it should go to two things - insipid footballers who have become overpaid and go through the motions - especially at a club like Everton when they've come her to retire, have earned their career high move and have no reason to perform further and/or just don't give a crap - and the state of the modern game itself.
When the team shows some desire to perform, we'll show desire in the stands. I'm not going to applaud mediocrity. In that respect, our motto still means something.
As said earlier, we're never going to beat drums for 90 minutes or sing ridiculous anthems, because we react honestly to what we see on the pitch.
The fans still have the philosophy of winners; the team have not for a long time. That's the disconnect. And the fans are 100% right on this.
You saw people, en masse, chant for Niasse when he scored because it gave us something to react to - honest, real professional effort and the desire to do well. He didn't need a song from the crowd to perform; he did it himself.
When Everton do the right things on the pitch, Goodison bounces. And I don't mean "sing when we're winning" - we're anything but that. Stracqualursi is a cult icon just because he put effort in despite being gash.
Yes, the crowd aren't exactly knowledgeable about football to a massive degree - see the treatment of Barkley for example, which comes from loads of fans collectively not understanding what he does - but over the years we've also applauded technical effort like from Arteta, so it's not a "dogs of war" hangover either.
We are not the only club fanbase like this right now; in fact, the only teams that have "atmosphere" are the drum-beating weapons who I'd absolutely detest us to be.
No, the blame if you want to allocate it should go to two things - insipid footballers who have become overpaid and go through the motions - especially at a club like Everton when they've come her to retire, have earned their career high move and have no reason to perform further and/or just don't give a crap - and the state of the modern game itself.
When the team shows some desire to perform, we'll show desire in the stands. I'm not going to applaud mediocrity. In that respect, our motto still means something.
Gladystweet
Player Valuation: £50m
I agree. But I'm simply not having that about The Straq, he was a god.
Agree with most on here, the atmosphere at home is pretty bad. Not from Liverpool but been a blue for 28 years now, and had a season ticket for the past 2 seasons. Used to go to a few games a season but being from down south its a bit of a effort to get down and back. For me the atmosphere has always been the same, we will get behind the team when we can see they are trying and giving 100 per cent effort and that's what has and always will create the atmosphere at Everton. For as long as I have been going we have never really sang songs, if we are not including the famous Everton,Everton,Everton.......EVERRRR ton one.
Now to put it bluntly ever since I have been going to Goodison which has been since about 1992, Everton have been crap. We accepted that we were behind the big teams in terms of money and knew the teams we were putting out had to give 100 per cent to get 3 points and most of the time they did (bar under walker and sometimes smith teams). That's where the atmosphere was created because the fans would kick the ball with the players and even when we lost the fans would accept that the players give there all and were up against a better team (most of the time). Fast forward to 2013 and suddenly the fans and rightly so, start to believe that we have a team that can compete and see us spending money that we have never really done in the premiership era. So us fans start going into games against your Burnley's, Stokes etc and expecting to turn up and get the 3 points. Should we expect this, possibly... as on paper we are a better team but what we then lose in terms of atmosphere is the roaring of fans when Baines wins a tackle and instead its a quite applause as we expect us to be in possession most of the game. We start to get anxious if it is still 0-0 with 25 mins gone or worse still 0-1 down, and then the atmosphere starts to turn into groans and abuse which we can all agree doesn't help the players confidence etc. And I generally believe that the fans play a massive part with how we play, putting aside the argument that they are 80k a week and should be able to motivate themselves, if you were at the game last week against Bournemouth and I think it was around the 60th minute (just after they went 0-1 up) that it was clear that Bournemouth were time wasting already, they then had a player that went down holding his leg and was clearly doing it to waste time and jump to the floor like he had just had a 21 year old Mike Tyson hit him with is famous uppercut. Atkinson then stopped the game while we had the ball but was gesturing to the furious Everton players by pointing to his head that he stopped it for a head injury. Now this was probably Atkinson being his usual Kopite self but he actually unintentionally turned a 0-1 defeat into 3 points to us, as the fans and my myself included went from sitting back and accepting that we are crap and are about to lose at home to Bournemouth (though I did have the thought at least Koeman might be sacked now, this is for a different thread though) to getting off my seat and hurling abuse at Atkinson. So this in turn took the atmosphere from groaning at the players to abusing Atkinson and creating an atmosphere when 2 mins previous to the incident I was scared to let one rip as a guy 3 stands away would probably have heard it. Now this coupled with Bournemouth continuing to take time wasting to new measures for the next 5 mins and raise the atmosphere up another notch of anger and in turn the crowd get behind the Everton players, we...well we know what the outcome was and it could have and should have been more than 2-1, when on 59 minutes I generally thought that I could have sat in my slightly blocked seat from the corner of a big blue pillar and the fact that I sit behind what seems to be Peter Crouch's far taller brother and not seen a shot on target let alone a goal for 15 hours and 5 minutes.
So the solution to all this is clearly that we must get a shocker of a decision against us in the first 10 minutes of every home game and we will come 7th as despite us now winning every home game we still cant make up for how pee poor bad we are away. Personally when I go to away games and noticed a few comments that we are brilliant atmosphere away....we are not really. We 100% have the best support in terms of numbers and hats off to the lads that travel the country and go most weeks but and again despite the Everton song mentioned earlier and the Coleman song that still gets belted out even though he is not on the pitch, there really isn't that much atmosphere. I would be lying if I said I wasn't envious of some of the other teams home crowds singing and getting behind the team but there are 2 things that I take from that and the first one is that this is only against the teams without much expectation from there team in terms of they just want to see 100% and a result is a bonus. Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal etc have the same atmosphere problems as us. And number 2 is the fact that although I have never boo'd and try not give abuse unless I can see they are clearly not giving there all and have to admit even is some cases despite seeing Cleverly give his all, I still let a little groan slip as he give away the ball for the 100th time in a ten minute cameo. But the fact is I have never broke into a song or anything a like and rarely join in a song, so cant really criticise there being no atmosphere while I am not doing anything to create one.
Now to put it bluntly ever since I have been going to Goodison which has been since about 1992, Everton have been crap. We accepted that we were behind the big teams in terms of money and knew the teams we were putting out had to give 100 per cent to get 3 points and most of the time they did (bar under walker and sometimes smith teams). That's where the atmosphere was created because the fans would kick the ball with the players and even when we lost the fans would accept that the players give there all and were up against a better team (most of the time). Fast forward to 2013 and suddenly the fans and rightly so, start to believe that we have a team that can compete and see us spending money that we have never really done in the premiership era. So us fans start going into games against your Burnley's, Stokes etc and expecting to turn up and get the 3 points. Should we expect this, possibly... as on paper we are a better team but what we then lose in terms of atmosphere is the roaring of fans when Baines wins a tackle and instead its a quite applause as we expect us to be in possession most of the game. We start to get anxious if it is still 0-0 with 25 mins gone or worse still 0-1 down, and then the atmosphere starts to turn into groans and abuse which we can all agree doesn't help the players confidence etc. And I generally believe that the fans play a massive part with how we play, putting aside the argument that they are 80k a week and should be able to motivate themselves, if you were at the game last week against Bournemouth and I think it was around the 60th minute (just after they went 0-1 up) that it was clear that Bournemouth were time wasting already, they then had a player that went down holding his leg and was clearly doing it to waste time and jump to the floor like he had just had a 21 year old Mike Tyson hit him with is famous uppercut. Atkinson then stopped the game while we had the ball but was gesturing to the furious Everton players by pointing to his head that he stopped it for a head injury. Now this was probably Atkinson being his usual Kopite self but he actually unintentionally turned a 0-1 defeat into 3 points to us, as the fans and my myself included went from sitting back and accepting that we are crap and are about to lose at home to Bournemouth (though I did have the thought at least Koeman might be sacked now, this is for a different thread though) to getting off my seat and hurling abuse at Atkinson. So this in turn took the atmosphere from groaning at the players to abusing Atkinson and creating an atmosphere when 2 mins previous to the incident I was scared to let one rip as a guy 3 stands away would probably have heard it. Now this coupled with Bournemouth continuing to take time wasting to new measures for the next 5 mins and raise the atmosphere up another notch of anger and in turn the crowd get behind the Everton players, we...well we know what the outcome was and it could have and should have been more than 2-1, when on 59 minutes I generally thought that I could have sat in my slightly blocked seat from the corner of a big blue pillar and the fact that I sit behind what seems to be Peter Crouch's far taller brother and not seen a shot on target let alone a goal for 15 hours and 5 minutes.
So the solution to all this is clearly that we must get a shocker of a decision against us in the first 10 minutes of every home game and we will come 7th as despite us now winning every home game we still cant make up for how pee poor bad we are away. Personally when I go to away games and noticed a few comments that we are brilliant atmosphere away....we are not really. We 100% have the best support in terms of numbers and hats off to the lads that travel the country and go most weeks but and again despite the Everton song mentioned earlier and the Coleman song that still gets belted out even though he is not on the pitch, there really isn't that much atmosphere. I would be lying if I said I wasn't envious of some of the other teams home crowds singing and getting behind the team but there are 2 things that I take from that and the first one is that this is only against the teams without much expectation from there team in terms of they just want to see 100% and a result is a bonus. Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal etc have the same atmosphere problems as us. And number 2 is the fact that although I have never boo'd and try not give abuse unless I can see they are clearly not giving there all and have to admit even is some cases despite seeing Cleverly give his all, I still let a little groan slip as he give away the ball for the 100th time in a ten minute cameo. But the fact is I have never broke into a song or anything a like and rarely join in a song, so cant really criticise there being no atmosphere while I am not doing anything to create one.
Donald Twain
Vide cor meum
Sounds like a load of people who don't go criticising those that do , hmmmm.
AsiaAsia82
Player Valuation: £35m
I do feel awkward singing when so many around aren't but I just do it anyway as I have all my life. it's like the crowd is now a new regime who look down on those who sing as a throw back to the hooligan days for some reason, like it's not modern behaviour, instead we should be ticking off passing stats or cross percentage and singing gets in the way.
The atmosphere is very poor and has been slowly dwindling in recent years - there's a guy who sits close to us who tries his best each week (from his accent I'd even say he travels from Yorkshire or somewhere) to get the crowd going but everyone just looks at him like he's a bit embarrassing.
I'm not sure it's totally about the team playing well, I think some are so far up there own proverbial they won't sing, but maybe that's they way the game is going, a middle class, Tory sport where any sign of tribalism is considered not PC.
But I'm open for being corrected as this is my view only and do not intend to insult anyone by these remarks.
The atmosphere is very poor and has been slowly dwindling in recent years - there's a guy who sits close to us who tries his best each week (from his accent I'd even say he travels from Yorkshire or somewhere) to get the crowd going but everyone just looks at him like he's a bit embarrassing.
I'm not sure it's totally about the team playing well, I think some are so far up there own proverbial they won't sing, but maybe that's they way the game is going, a middle class, Tory sport where any sign of tribalism is considered not PC.
But I'm open for being corrected as this is my view only and do not intend to insult anyone by these remarks.
Gladystweet
Player Valuation: £50m
The people club his backside....I think.
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