Rob
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is that necessarily a bad thing?
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is that necessarily a bad thing?
Of course. By signing away our right to determine our own economic policy to the ECB we are essentially saying that both our economic aims and indeed economic circumstances are the same as every other Eurozone nation. This is clearly not the case at all. Both France and Germany have already broken the fiscal stability pact that all Eurozone nations signed up to.
This idea that some form of United States of Europe can be created ignores the centuries of history that have helped create such vastly different cultures, both economically and socially within Europe. America can pull it off because it is one nation, forged under one identity all those years ago. Europe isn't and therefore the economic case for joining the single currency is a very poor one indeed. After all we've hardly suffered from not being a member over the past 8 years.
The issues of sovereignty and currency exchange are mere trifles in comparison.
This idea that some form of United States of Europe can be created ignores the centuries of history that have helped create such vastly different cultures, both economically and socially within Europe. America can pull it off because it is one nation, forged under one identity all those years ago. Europe isn't and therefore the economic case for joining the single currency is a very poor one indeed. After all we've hardly suffered from not being a member over the past 8 years.
The issues of sovereignty and currency exchange are mere trifles in comparison.
Rob
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Well, I think our business' are suffering, its a struggle to export.
The American car industry is almost demanding that something gets done about it because as it is, Toyota and the gang are killing them hands down, and I think that is something that is happening here too.
The American car industry is almost demanding that something gets done about it because as it is, Toyota and the gang are killing them hands down, and I think that is something that is happening here too.
I think the problems of the American car industry go far deeper than the current exchange rates around the world. Toyota are wiping the floor with the Detroit three simply because they're much better at making cars. Unfortunately they've got into a habit of asking the American government for help over the past decade as it's much easier to blame others than yourself 
Rob
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I think the problems of the American car industry go far deeper than the current exchange rates around the world. Toyota are wiping the floor with the Detroit three simply because they're much better at making cars. Unfortunately they've got into a habit of asking the American government for help over the past decade as it's much easier to blame others than yourself
Yeh, you know I believe what I see on TV way too much... its my downfall!
Good job I've got you lot pointing me in the right direction
See, we do agree on some things, after all.... it's the Bank of England's autonomy and ability to act in the best interests of ourselves rather than a wider Europe that has helped keep us stable over the its tenure of our interest rates
Them and Riquelme, we musn't underestimate his contribution to our global well being.
At the risk of calling down the wrath of TXBill upon me, isn't this the kind of fairy story that we are all taught at school (in the case of the UK, the glorious days of Empire)?
The USA was and is anything but a homogenous nation and whether you are referring to the War of Independence (happy 4th to those over the ocean by the way!) or the Civil War as being the "forging" let us not forget that there were completely different communities with different interests and imperatives living in what is now the USA. (French/méti; Spanish/Mexican; various social and religious shades of other European and British; slaves/African-American; and, of course, native Americans).
And if the USA can integrate and continue to sustain the different cultures, races and social standards (arguably greater in difference than in Europe) which make up the country, then surely there is at least the possibility that a United States of Europe is a viable idea.
Whether or not the other countries would or should wait for a permanently reluctant and sulking small country on the edge of the continent is another matter...
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yeah but everyone hates the french and i personally dont want to give them anymore leaway for shafting britain.
the pound is part of the identity of britain, i certainly do not want to see britain buy into the 'one size fits all' rules eminating from brussles any further.
send thatcher in, she didnt take any [Poor language removed] like our so called leaders since have.
the pound is part of the identity of britain, i certainly do not want to see britain buy into the 'one size fits all' rules eminating from brussles any further.
send thatcher in, she didnt take any [Poor language removed] like our so called leaders since have.
The reason it worked for the US is that when international commerce really kicked in, post Industrial revolution, it was one nation and becoming more homogenous all the time... you're right, had the US still been in it's formative stage it probably would have been better served with several micro currencies all with interest rates controlled to suit their own circumstances.
As for the whole wider Europe Issue, we must not confuse control of our currency and fiscal policy with other sovereignty issue (such as shared welfare or foreign policies).
I'd quite happily send Thatcher anywhere, as long as it was away
You could reasonably argue that with our borders considerably more open to new EU citizens than other countries that we are already more pro-European than any of the Eurozone nations. It certainly doesn't require a single currency to allow that.
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