GOT Fitness LOG

[Bruce Wayne]

I guess that's kind of my question though. Forgive the use of made up numbers but hopefully it illustrates the point.

Lets say person A does their workout and then eats a normal diet, and they recover at 10 units per hour, so after 24 hours they are at 240 units of recovery.

Person B eats a protein rich snack after their workout, so gets a boost of (say) 50 units in the first couple of hours, but after 24 hours, is still at 240 units of recovery.

Do you see what I mean? If you didn't need to train for 2 days, would eating right after a workout give you more recovery than just eating normally and resting or would it simply give you faster recovery, therefore enabling you to train again sooner?

 

[maddison]

I guess that's kind of my question though. Forgive the use of made up numbers but hopefully it illustrates the point.

Lets say person A does their workout and then eats a normal diet, and they recover at 10 units per hour, so after 24 hours they are at 240 units of recovery.

Person B eats a protein rich snack after their workout, so gets a boost of (say) 50 units in the first couple of hours, but after 24 hours, is still at 240 units of recovery.

Do you see what I mean? If you didn't need to train for 2 days, would eating right after a workout give you more recovery than just eating normally and resting or would it simply give you faster recovery, therefore enabling you to train again sooner?

Your ability to recovery varies with age, and improves as your conditioning advances through regular training. As you're predominantly in a peak anabolic state after you've endured a period of catabolism during your work out, it makes more sense to ensure your body has the building blocks it needs (subject to a nice insulin spike) at the appropriate time.

For me it's probably more a case of, you can be recovered to the same extent without the post workout protein ingest as your fellow athlete, but one of you potentially might have gained more from your previous workout because you've taken better advantage of your bodies anabolic state post workout.

I don't think that after one workout this makes much of a difference, but if you can improve your performance by a couple of % over a season, that can make a bigger difference. I'd also say you're better having some low levels of protein as you workout too.


Having said that, I'd probably list ice a little higher up the list as a post workout aid from personal experience.

 

[evilwebby]

Bruce and other keen cyclists might be interested to read about pro-rider Dave Zabriskie, which may give an insight into the topic of maximum energy output achieveable with low-carb..

http://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/nutrition/paleos-latest-converts-20130618


I'm just delving into this Kiefer carb-backloading stuff. Pretty interesting, but still, I'll need to read a lot more before I'm thoroughly convinced.. are you following this plan, maddison?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bruce and other keen cyclists might be interested to read about pro-rider Dave Zabriskie, which may give an insight into the topic of maximum energy output achieveable with low-carb..

http://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/nutrition/paleos-latest-converts-20130618


I'm just delving into this Kiefer carb-backloading stuff. Pretty interesting, but still, I'll need to read a lot more before I'm thoroughly convinced.. are you following this plan, maddison?

Interesting. I'm just wondering how big a gain it is. I mean Zabriskie hasn't won anything in a pretty long time and is little more than a domestique. Whitfield isn't up there beating the Brownlee brothers. Far be it from me to suggest Brailsford et al have all the answers, but they've been pretty renowned for looking under every rock they can for a performance gain. Why aren't Froome et al on this diet?

Even with myself, I cycle reasonably well, can still lift more than the average bloke in the gym and have body fat somewhere between 6-8%. I'm also getting fitter as I get older. That's done without any paleo type stuff.

How much of a game changer is this really?

 

[maddison]

Interesting. I'm just wondering how big a gain it is. I mean Zabriskie hasn't won anything in a pretty long time and is little more than a domestique. Whitfield isn't up there beating the Brownlee brothers. Far be it from me to suggest Brailsford et al have all the answers, but they've been pretty renowned for looking under every rock they can for a performance gain. Why aren't Froome et al on this diet?

Even with myself, I cycle reasonably well, can still lift more than the average bloke in the gym and have body fat somewhere between 6-8%. I'm also getting fitter as I get older. That's done without any paleo type stuff.

How much of a game changer is this really?

I can't find the reference I was looking for, but this should suffice: http://robbwolf.com/2012/02/08/the-carbohydrate-loading-conundrum/

For guys at the top end of sports, the biggest differentiator is going to be how well they respond to drugs, you really can't get away from that. So looking at the guys at the top, and trying to guess what they do with regards to their overall strategy to winning races is futile, there'll always be variables you're totally not aware of. When someone tries something and sees a significant improvement though, we can assume the other variables might well be the same (drugs/ recovery aids), so the example Evilwebby gave has relevance in that context

Hope that reads back properly, I'm trying to do a few things in work here! lol

Anyway, the link should be useful to you.

 

[evilwebby]

Interesting. I'm just wondering how big a gain it is. I mean Zabriskie hasn't won anything in a pretty long time and is little more than a domestique. Whitfield isn't up there beating the Brownlee brothers. Far be it from me to suggest Brailsford et al have all the answers, but they've been pretty renowned for looking under every rock they can for a performance gain. Why aren't Froome et al on this diet?

Even with myself, I cycle reasonably well, can still lift more than the average bloke in the gym and have body fat somewhere between 6-8%. I'm also getting fitter as I get older. That's done without any paleo type stuff.

How much of a game changer is this really?

It depends on the individual and how well their systems can cope with carbohydrates as to how beneficial a lowcarb diet is.

Many people can eat a typical higher carb diet and not stimulate their insulin to the point where fat accumulation starts. That's just genetics - although age and fitness are also factors. Other people have much lower tolerance levels, and its these people who fatten easily and struggle with weight issues on typical high carb. By the sounds of it, Bruce, you tend towards the former.

It's could be a game changer for some, perhaps for many more than are aware - not just in terms of athletic performance, but just in terms of leading a normal life were you're in harmony and at peace with what you eat from day to day. To disprove it requires that you show the opposite is true - that switching to a lowcarb is actually detrimental to weight, health and performance in test subjects.. and there is no evidence to this in well-adapted test cases (quite the contrary).

 

[Black Belt Jones]

Cycling blokes - I've just bought a bike online and the fit has surprised me, it's quite big. It's a caadx cyclocross bike in 56 - 56 is bang on usually but this one seems to have quite a long top tube. I'm further forward than I'm used to. Also standover is reduced - quite snug in that department with a completely horizontal top tube.

I can return it if it's in a as new condition and get a 54, and that's my dilemma. The only way I'll know if it's really OK is if I thrash it 30 miles on the trails, but I can't do that. There's no 54s in stock anywhere for 2 months, and the 54 might be too small in any case.
Basically I need to either stop fretting like a blouse and ride the thing, accepting that at worst it's going to be a little bit too big; or just take it back and get a refund and look for a different bike. What would you do?

 

[blue4eva77]

I mentioned it a couple of days ago, but does anyone have any personal experience with eat coconut oil ?? As a health supplement. Ive done a bit of research and i was surprised....... i bought myself a 32oz jar of coconut oil and ive been eating about 4 spoonfuls a day. Its organic extra virgin coconut oil.

Come on lads, get your coconuts out

 

[maddison]

I mentioned it a couple of days ago, but does anyone have any personal experience with eat coconut oil ?? As a health supplement. Ive done a bit of research and i was surprised....... i bought myself a 32oz jar of coconut oil and ive been eating about 4 spoonfuls a day. Its organic extra virgin coconut oil.

Come on lads, get your coconuts out

Erm I cook with it, I'm guessing you've got the one from Tesco in a little jar. If you want a cheaper source of MCT's simply search for fractionated coconut oil, you can pick a litre up for roughly a tenner. If you want it labelled as MCT oil, roughly £25-£30 for the snazzy packaging and cool new name

 

[blue4eva77]

Erm I cook with it, I'm guessing you've got the one from Tesco in a little jar. If you want a cheaper source of MCT's simply search for fractionated coconut oil, you can pick a litre up for roughly a tenner. If you want it labelled as MCT oil, roughly £25-£30 for the snazzy packaging and cool new name

It has many uses yes and cooking with it is obviously one of them. use of skin, hair etc.... but ive read just eating a couple of spoonfuls a day can be very beneficial to the body.

I actually bought it off Amazon.com after reading good reviews from people on this particular kind and from doing a simple research into it for an hour one day. Ive been adding 2 spoons to my oatmeal and protein powder in a morning. Ive also been eating another 2 spoonfuls each evening after work before i work out.

 

[evilwebby]

Cycling blokes - I've just bought a bike online and the fit has surprised me, it's quite big. It's a caadx cyclocross bike in 56 - 56 is bang on usually but this one seems to have quite a long top tube. I'm further forward than I'm used to. Also standover is reduced - quite snug in that department with a completely horizontal top tube.

I can return it if it's in a as new condition and get a 54, and that's my dilemma. The only way I'll know if it's really OK is if I thrash it 30 miles on the trails, but I can't do that. There's no 54s in stock anywhere for 2 months, and the 54 might be too small in any case.
Basically I need to either stop fretting like a blouse and ride the thing, accepting that at worst it's going to be a little bit too big; or just take it back and get a refund and look for a different bike. What would you do?

I believe the CaadX is a full frame as opposed to compact frame where the top tube is slightly sloping. Dunno what that really means, but probably means something..

If it's just the reach you're uncomfortable with you might be able to fit a shorter stem that would bring the handlebars a bit closer.. maybe up to an inch or so. The seat should also be moveable backwards/forward up to a couple of centimeters, however be aware that this changes your stance and the angle you are pedaling at.

 

[Kurt.]

Hi lads...... Breakthrough day today !!!! Started running properly again on jan 2nd.... Just mixing it up with slow 5k or quicker 3k runs an it's been a struggle to be honest..... Last few days ive felt a bit stronger in my legs and my breathing has become steadier and less laboured..... Just got in 5 mins ago from a 5 mile run..... Felt amazing...... Started off at a slowish pace to warm up a bit fr 5 mins then stepped up a little bit.... After about 2.5 miles I decided to push on.... I lengthened my stride and felt good... Like I was bouncing off the road .... I've not run like that in years ha ha.... Sorry if this sounds stupid but for the last two years I've been suffering with abdominal muscular problems which at times are quite restricting... So tonight felt ace.....ad I just wanted to share it..... To anybody else struggling just keep at it... Get the miles in the legs .... It worth it when you get one run like I did tonight....

 

[blue4eva77]

Hi lads...... Breakthrough day today !!!! Started running properly again on jan 2nd.... Just mixing it up with slow 5k or quicker 3k runs an it's been a struggle to be honest..... Last few days ive felt a bit stronger in my legs and my breathing has become steadier and less laboured..... Just got in 5 mins ago from a 5 mile run..... Felt amazing...... Started off at a slowish pace to warm up a bit fr 5 mins then stepped up a little bit.... After about 2.5 miles I decided to push on.... I lengthened my stride and felt good... Like I was bouncing off the road .... I've not run like that in years ha ha.... Sorry if this sounds stupid but for the last two years I've been suffering with abdominal muscular problems which at times are quite restricting... So tonight felt ace.....ad I just wanted to share it..... To anybody else struggling just keep at it... Get the miles in the legs .... It worth it when you get one run like I did tonight....

Thats great that...... effort !!

Do you think its more important, from a pyschological stand point that you decided to kick on and lengthen your stride, mid run as apposed to deciding that you were going to do that before you set out ?? Maybe the decision to do this mid run gave you the satisfaction you're feeling now. Like if you decided to do that before you set out but couldn't quite step it up for whatever reason, i would imagine you feeling pretty disappointed etc....

Its interesting because you don't really know how your body is going to react until you're out there. Like im one of those people that once ive done something once, i HAVE to do it all the time.

 

[Kurt.]

Thats great that...... effort !!

Do you think its more important, from a pyschological stand point that you decided to kick on and lengthen your stride, mid run as apposed to deciding that you were going to do that before you set out ?? Maybe the decision to do this mid run gave you the satisfaction you're feeling now. Like if you decided to do that before you set out but couldn't quite step it up for whatever reason, i would imagine you feeling pretty disappointed etc....

Its interesting because you don't really know how your body is going to react until you're out there. Like im one of those people that once ive done something once, i HAVE to do it all the time.

It wasn't planned to go like that, I just got half way round and though I felt good.... Not having to dig in and grind it outi you like, I got to a hill, not very steep but it's about half a mile stretch so wears you down... I decided to lengthen my stride for some reason and automatically started moving so much better..... Faster lighter on my feet if you like...... Probs tomorrow I won't feel the same but it feels like I've crashed through the mental barrier of dreading it to actually looking forward to what tomorrow might be like... I know now I will be back up to decent distances in next to no time.

 

[Kiwi]

just got back from a 6km run. I havent done anything sustained or proper in the way of exercise since september which was the end of the footy season, but over the last week i've been going for runs. Started with a 5k where i was easily doing double sometimes triple that every second day during the season, but had no aerobic fitness and needed to start walking in parts as a rest period. I went for another one today but bumped it up to 6km as progressive overload and was stoked how good I felt when I was running. Started off slow at the bottom of a massive hill then when it leveled out lengthened my stride and picked up the pace. Didn't need to stop or anything. It always amazes me how the body adapts itself physiologically.