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Green shoots of recovery.

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The formation was not quite like that yesterday. In the central areas instead of 2 sitting and 1 advanced, it was 1 sitting and two further forward. Baines was left and advanced of Barry and McCarthy/Barkley right and advanced of Barry. Baines found himself in the left back position quite often I thought.

4-1-4-1 defending, 4-3-3 attacking.

Whatever system we play we are short of natural wide players. At the moment, even if everyone is fit, it would be Mirallas and who else?
It was mostly Eto'o who had the job to track back and help Garbutt.

But yea we need at least one more wide player - Roberto is sort of a bit screwed by his options but I suppose he expected Oviedo, Pienaar and Atsu to have been more involved this season.
 
Robles needs a confidence boost imo. Think it's beyond harsh to write him off when he hasn't had a serious run in the team in a position notorious for needing time. Add to that he's come into the team bereft of confidence and making silly defensive mistakes.
I'm not saying I think he's a great goalie because I just don't know.
I do remember a great goalkeeper being loaned out due to a less than convincing spell between the sticks.
Ok more recently DeGea who is also Spanish having the same problems early on. The thing about Howard is we know that's as good as he will be and will probably get worse. There's a chance that Joel might improve and if he does could save us 10m in the summer.
 
The only good thing from the game is... Martinez is one game nearer to sack. We dont have a hope to win a game in the near future. Against crap teams we loose by one goal . Against better ones it will be 2,3 or 4.


Not looking forward to the Hull game TBH on our current form and to facing Steve Bruce, but has to be done.
 
Truly I don't think Garbutt is a genuine premiership left back. Yet. He looked completely overawed yesterday in my opinion, a reflection of the sheer disorganisation we suffered from. I know we wanted changes yesterday but it was as if RM just decided to do them all at once in desperation. I'm still as annoyed this morning as last night!
Agreed the kid can't defend. Very scared of getting run at so he gives people an extra yard and they whip easy balls straight into the front post area.
 
Martinez's Wigan team had something like 23 points in March 2012. They then went and beat Liverpool, newcastle 4-0 (then competing for the top 4) and Arsenal away, Utd at home amongst other wins against relegation contenders Blackburn and Wolves.

The season before they were 2-0 down against West Ham and needed to win to not be relegated - they won 3-2 and beat Stoke in the final match

Even the season they went down I think they had almost every defensive player injured and had they held onto their Swansea win would have stayed up - they would have definitely stayed up if not for the cup IMO

Basically what I'm trying to see Martinez has come out again and again against pressure that would have cracked lesser managers

He got them relegated. That can't in any way be a positive thing, surely? It will take a lot to get Wigan back to where they were.
 

Oh my Robles done well. Well I must have imagined him doing the birdy song dance and flapping at the ball instead of bloody catching it on the build up of the second goal.

Also, if that was Howard people would be fuming saying " How come he never dived " seriously, Howard got criticized for not saving some of the Southampton goals so lets be consistent.
 
Ok more recently DeGea who is also Spanish having the same problems early on. The thing about Howard is we know that's as good as he will be and will probably get worse. There's a chance that Joel might improve and if he does could save us 10m in the summer.

Stop mentioning Joel in the same sentence as DeGea please, its like comparing Brett Angell to Zlatan.
 
If we can't stop conceding goals then rm has to take the last seasons red [Poor language removed] approach and just out score the other team
 


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