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Groucho's Fact Hunt

The word "soccer," which is believed to have originated in Britain some 200 years ago, comes from the official name of the sport, "association football." As other versions of the game evolved to include Rugby Football, it is believed the Brits adopted colloquialisms to distinguish each game.

However...

The word "soccer" originated as an Oxford "-er" slang abbreviation of "association", and is credited to late nineteenth century English footballer, Charles Wreford-Brown. However, like the William Webb Ellis rugby story, it is believed to be most likely apocryphal.
 
terryefc said:
The word "soccer," which is believed to have originated in Britain some 200 years ago, comes from the official name of the sport, "association football." As other versions of the game evolved to include Rugby Football, it is believed the Brits adopted colloquialisms to distinguish each game.

However...

The word "soccer" originated as an Oxford "-er" slang abbreviation of "association", and is credited to late nineteenth century English footballer, Charles Wreford-Brown. However, like the William Webb Ellis rugby story, it is believed to be most likely apocryphal.
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I'm still jus gonna blame the Yanks...
 
Today is the anniversary of the first day of the battle of the Somme.

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The Thiepval monument.

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If interested, more here.

http://blog.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/2016/07/commemorating-the-first-day-of-the-somme/
 

In the news just now.
Anyway, I wondered, what if...what if Pickfords hand stoppped the ball, it was hit quite hard and could still have momentum, could it drop to the floor and (just for dramatic purposes) roll ever so slowly towards the line and over.
So just when is the ball dead in a penalty shoot out

See No.8
  1. The referee tosses a coin to decide the goal at which the kicks will be taken. The choice of goal by the coin toss winner may only be changed by the referee for safety reasons or if the goal or playing surface becomes unusable.[1]
  2. The referee tosses the coin a second time to determine which team will take the first kick.
  3. All players other than the kicker and the goalkeepers must remain in the pitch's centre circle (see above).
  4. Each kick will be taken in the general manner of a penalty kick. Each kick will be taken from the penalty mark, which is 12 yards (11 m) from the goal line and equidistant from each touch line, with the goal defended only by the opposing goalkeeper. The goalkeeper must remain between the goal posts on his goal line until the ball has been kicked, although he can jump in place, wave his arms, move side to side along the goal line or otherwise try to distract the shooter.
  5. Each team is responsible for selecting from the eligible players the order in which they will take the kicks.
  6. Each kicker can kick the ball only once per attempt. Once kicked, the kicker may not play the ball again. The decision of a rekick is solely to the referee's discretion.
  7. No other player on either team, other than the designated kicker and goalkeeper, may touch the ball.[1]
  8. A kick is successful if, having been touched once by the kicker, the ball crosses the goal line between the goal posts and under the crossbar, without touching any player, official, or outside agent other than the defending goalkeeper. The ball may touch the goalkeeper, goal posts, or crossbar any number of times before going into the goal as long as the referee believes the ball's motion is the result of the initial kick. This was clarified after an incident in the 1986 World Cup shoot-out between Brazil and France. Bruno Bellone's kick rebounded out off the post, hit goalkeeper Carlos's back, and subsequently bounced into the goal. Referee Ioan Igna gave the goal to France, and Brazil captain Edinho was booked for protesting that the kick should have been considered a miss as soon as it rebounded off the post. In 1987, the International Football Association Board clarified Law 14, covering penalty kicks, to support Igna's decision.[9]
  9. Teams take turns to kick from the penalty mark until each has taken five kicks. However, if one side has scored more successful kicks than the other could possibly reach with all of its remaining kicks, the shoot-out immediately ends regardless of the number of kicks remaining; this basis is called "best of five kicks".
  10. If at the end of these five rounds of kicks the teams have scored an equal number of successful kicks, additional rounds of one kick each will be used until the tie is broken; this is known as sudden death.
  11. The team that scores the most successful kicks at the end of the shoot-out will be the winner of the match.
  12. Only players who were on the pitch at the end of play or temporarily absent (injured, adjusting equipment etc.) will be allowed to participate in the shoot-out.[1] If at the end of the match and before or during the kicks one side has more players on the pitch than the other, whether as a result of injury or red cards, then the side with more players must reduce its numbers to match the opponents; this is known as 'reduce to equate.' For example, if Team A has 11 players but Team B only has 10, then Team A will choose one player who will not take part. Players excluded this way normally take no further part in the procedure, with the exception that they can be used to replace an injured goalkeeper. The rule was introduced by the International Football Association Board in February 2000 because previously an eleventh kick would be taken by the eleventh (i.e. weakest) player of a full-strength team and the first (i.e. strongest) player of a sub-strength team.[10] A rule change in 2016 eliminated the potential for a team to gain such an advantage if a player is injured or sent off during the shoot-out.[11]
  13. A team may replace a goalkeeper who becomes injured during the shoot-out with a substitute (provided the team has not already used the maximum number of substitutes allowed by the competition) or by a player previously excluded under the 'reduce to equate' provision.[1]
  14. If a goalkeeper is sent off during the shoot-out, another player who finished the game must act as goalkeeper.[1]
  15. If a player, other than the goalkeeper, becomes injured or is sent off during the shoot-out, then the shoot-out will continue with no substitution allowed. The opposing team must reduce its numbers accordingly.[1]
  16. Any player remaining on the pitch may act as the goalkeeper, and it is not required for the same player to have acted as a goalkeeper during the game.
  17. No player will be allowed to take a second kick until all other eligible players on their team have taken a first kick, including the goalkeeper.
  18. If it becomes necessary for players to take another kick (because the score has remained equal after all eligible players have taken their first kick), players are not required to kick in the same order.[1]
  19. Kicks from the penalty mark must not be delayed for a player who leaves the field of play. The player’s kick will be forfeited (not scored) if the player does not return in time to take a kick.
  20. The referee must not abandon the match if, during the kicks, a team is reduced to fewer than seven players
 
degsy said:
In the news just now.
Anyway, I wondered, what if...what if Pickfords hand stoppped the ball, it was hit quite hard and could still have momentum, could it drop to the floor and (just for dramatic purposes) roll ever so slowly towards the line and over.
So just when is the ball dead in a penalty shoot out

See No.8
  1. The referee tosses a coin to decide the goal at which the kicks will be taken. The choice of goal by the coin toss winner may only be changed by the referee for safety reasons or if the goal or playing surface becomes unusable.[1]
  2. The referee tosses the coin a second time to determine which team will take the first kick.
  3. All players other than the kicker and the goalkeepers must remain in the pitch's centre circle (see above).
  4. Each kick will be taken in the general manner of a penalty kick. Each kick will be taken from the penalty mark, which is 12 yards (11 m) from the goal line and equidistant from each touch line, with the goal defended only by the opposing goalkeeper. The goalkeeper must remain between the goal posts on his goal line until the ball has been kicked, although he can jump in place, wave his arms, move side to side along the goal line or otherwise try to distract the shooter.
  5. Each team is responsible for selecting from the eligible players the order in which they will take the kicks.
  6. Each kicker can kick the ball only once per attempt. Once kicked, the kicker may not play the ball again. The decision of a rekick is solely to the referee's discretion.
  7. No other player on either team, other than the designated kicker and goalkeeper, may touch the ball.[1]
  8. A kick is successful if, having been touched once by the kicker, the ball crosses the goal line between the goal posts and under the crossbar, without touching any player, official, or outside agent other than the defending goalkeeper. The ball may touch the goalkeeper, goal posts, or crossbar any number of times before going into the goal as long as the referee believes the ball's motion is the result of the initial kick. This was clarified after an incident in the 1986 World Cup shoot-out between Brazil and France. Bruno Bellone's kick rebounded out off the post, hit goalkeeper Carlos's back, and subsequently bounced into the goal. Referee Ioan Igna gave the goal to France, and Brazil captain Edinho was booked for protesting that the kick should have been considered a miss as soon as it rebounded off the post. In 1987, the International Football Association Board clarified Law 14, covering penalty kicks, to support Igna's decision.[9]
  9. Teams take turns to kick from the penalty mark until each has taken five kicks. However, if one side has scored more successful kicks than the other could possibly reach with all of its remaining kicks, the shoot-out immediately ends regardless of the number of kicks remaining; this basis is called "best of five kicks".
  10. If at the end of these five rounds of kicks the teams have scored an equal number of successful kicks, additional rounds of one kick each will be used until the tie is broken; this is known as sudden death.
  11. The team that scores the most successful kicks at the end of the shoot-out will be the winner of the match.
  12. Only players who were on the pitch at the end of play or temporarily absent (injured, adjusting equipment etc.) will be allowed to participate in the shoot-out.[1] If at the end of the match and before or during the kicks one side has more players on the pitch than the other, whether as a result of injury or red cards, then the side with more players must reduce its numbers to match the opponents; this is known as 'reduce to equate.' For example, if Team A has 11 players but Team B only has 10, then Team A will choose one player who will not take part. Players excluded this way normally take no further part in the procedure, with the exception that they can be used to replace an injured goalkeeper. The rule was introduced by the International Football Association Board in February 2000 because previously an eleventh kick would be taken by the eleventh (i.e. weakest) player of a full-strength team and the first (i.e. strongest) player of a sub-strength team.[10] A rule change in 2016 eliminated the potential for a team to gain such an advantage if a player is injured or sent off during the shoot-out.[11]
  13. A team may replace a goalkeeper who becomes injured during the shoot-out with a substitute (provided the team has not already used the maximum number of substitutes allowed by the competition) or by a player previously excluded under the 'reduce to equate' provision.[1]
  14. If a goalkeeper is sent off during the shoot-out, another player who finished the game must act as goalkeeper.[1]
  15. If a player, other than the goalkeeper, becomes injured or is sent off during the shoot-out, then the shoot-out will continue with no substitution allowed. The opposing team must reduce its numbers accordingly.[1]
  16. Any player remaining on the pitch may act as the goalkeeper, and it is not required for the same player to have acted as a goalkeeper during the game.
  17. No player will be allowed to take a second kick until all other eligible players on their team have taken a first kick, including the goalkeeper.
  18. If it becomes necessary for players to take another kick (because the score has remained equal after all eligible players have taken their first kick), players are not required to kick in the same order.[1]
  19. Kicks from the penalty mark must not be delayed for a player who leaves the field of play. The player’s kick will be forfeited (not scored) if the player does not return in time to take a kick.
  20. The referee must not abandon the match if, during the kicks, a team is reduced to fewer than seven players
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The first European football team to try and sign Diego Maradonna were Sunderland in 1977. He threatened to retire from football if he was not allowed to sign for them from his then club argentios juniors. The dictatorial government of the day actually stepped in and named maradonna and a number of others as strictly non transferable and Sunderland never got their man.
 
degsy said:
In the news just now.
Anyway, I wondered, what if...what if Pickfords hand stoppped the ball, it was hit quite hard and could still have momentum, could it drop to the floor and (just for dramatic purposes) roll ever so slowly towards the line and over.
So just when is the ball dead in a penalty shoot out

See No.8
  1. The referee tosses a coin to decide the goal at which the kicks will be taken. The choice of goal by the coin toss winner may only be changed by the referee for safety reasons or if the goal or playing surface becomes unusable.[1]
  2. The referee tosses the coin a second time to determine which team will take the first kick.
  3. All players other than the kicker and the goalkeepers must remain in the pitch's centre circle (see above).
  4. Each kick will be taken in the general manner of a penalty kick. Each kick will be taken from the penalty mark, which is 12 yards (11 m) from the goal line and equidistant from each touch line, with the goal defended only by the opposing goalkeeper. The goalkeeper must remain between the goal posts on his goal line until the ball has been kicked, although he can jump in place, wave his arms, move side to side along the goal line or otherwise try to distract the shooter.
  5. Each team is responsible for selecting from the eligible players the order in which they will take the kicks.
  6. Each kicker can kick the ball only once per attempt. Once kicked, the kicker may not play the ball again. The decision of a rekick is solely to the referee's discretion.
  7. No other player on either team, other than the designated kicker and goalkeeper, may touch the ball.[1]
  8. A kick is successful if, having been touched once by the kicker, the ball crosses the goal line between the goal posts and under the crossbar, without touching any player, official, or outside agent other than the defending goalkeeper. The ball may touch the goalkeeper, goal posts, or crossbar any number of times before going into the goal as long as the referee believes the ball's motion is the result of the initial kick. This was clarified after an incident in the 1986 World Cup shoot-out between Brazil and France. Bruno Bellone's kick rebounded out off the post, hit goalkeeper Carlos's back, and subsequently bounced into the goal. Referee Ioan Igna gave the goal to France, and Brazil captain Edinho was booked for protesting that the kick should have been considered a miss as soon as it rebounded off the post. In 1987, the International Football Association Board clarified Law 14, covering penalty kicks, to support Igna's decision.[9]
  9. Teams take turns to kick from the penalty mark until each has taken five kicks. However, if one side has scored more successful kicks than the other could possibly reach with all of its remaining kicks, the shoot-out immediately ends regardless of the number of kicks remaining; this basis is called "best of five kicks".
  10. If at the end of these five rounds of kicks the teams have scored an equal number of successful kicks, additional rounds of one kick each will be used until the tie is broken; this is known as sudden death.
  11. The team that scores the most successful kicks at the end of the shoot-out will be the winner of the match.
  12. Only players who were on the pitch at the end of play or temporarily absent (injured, adjusting equipment etc.) will be allowed to participate in the shoot-out.[1] If at the end of the match and before or during the kicks one side has more players on the pitch than the other, whether as a result of injury or red cards, then the side with more players must reduce its numbers to match the opponents; this is known as 'reduce to equate.' For example, if Team A has 11 players but Team B only has 10, then Team A will choose one player who will not take part. Players excluded this way normally take no further part in the procedure, with the exception that they can be used to replace an injured goalkeeper. The rule was introduced by the International Football Association Board in February 2000 because previously an eleventh kick would be taken by the eleventh (i.e. weakest) player of a full-strength team and the first (i.e. strongest) player of a sub-strength team.[10] A rule change in 2016 eliminated the potential for a team to gain such an advantage if a player is injured or sent off during the shoot-out.[11]
  13. A team may replace a goalkeeper who becomes injured during the shoot-out with a substitute (provided the team has not already used the maximum number of substitutes allowed by the competition) or by a player previously excluded under the 'reduce to equate' provision.[1]
  14. If a goalkeeper is sent off during the shoot-out, another player who finished the game must act as goalkeeper.[1]
  15. If a player, other than the goalkeeper, becomes injured or is sent off during the shoot-out, then the shoot-out will continue with no substitution allowed. The opposing team must reduce its numbers accordingly.[1]
  16. Any player remaining on the pitch may act as the goalkeeper, and it is not required for the same player to have acted as a goalkeeper during the game.
  17. No player will be allowed to take a second kick until all other eligible players on their team have taken a first kick, including the goalkeeper.
  18. If it becomes necessary for players to take another kick (because the score has remained equal after all eligible players have taken their first kick), players are not required to kick in the same order.[1]
  19. Kicks from the penalty mark must not be delayed for a player who leaves the field of play. The player’s kick will be forfeited (not scored) if the player does not return in time to take a kick.
  20. The referee must not abandon the match if, during the kicks, a team is reduced to fewer than seven players
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Sorry Degsy could you just explain that again.
 

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