Group C: Slovenia, Denmark, Serbia, England

[Kevsleftpeg]

He’s good not great. What throws me off the most is why England needs to play with anymore more than Rice holding. You have more talent than everyone else you’re playing right now. Get an attacking mid on, let Jude play the 8 and go at these teams. Palmer not getting an actual go is criminal.

The issue is Rice isn't a pivot. He's just nowhere near good enough on the ball and his passing is very average. This means we can't play out from the back and teams swarm all over us whenever we try. We need to play Wharton or Mainoo in there (i.e. actual footballers that can turn and pick a pass).

 

[Billy Dean]

England's Euros record. Not exactly stellar

• 2020 (Various): Runners-up
• 2016 (France): Round of 16
• 2012 (Poland/Ukraine): Quarter-finals
• 2008 (Austria/Switzerland): Did not qualify
• 2004 (Portugal): Quarter-finals
• 2000 (Belgium/Netherlands): Group stage
• 1996 (England): Semi-finals
• 1992 (Sweden): Group stage
• 1988 (Germany): Group stage
• 1984 (France): Did not qualify
• 1980 (Italy): Group stage
• 1976 (Yugoslavia): Did not qualify
• 1972 (Belgium): Did not qualify
• 1968 (Italy) Third place
• 1964 (Spain): Did not qualify
• 1960 (France): Did not enter

 

[Jamiednm]

I hope we see a different England tonight.

But I also think a lot of damage has already been done with the poor performances so far. Even if they turned it on tonight, those fundamental questions will remain and I would still expect them to come back to bite us in future games.

 

[barneygumble]

I hope we see a different England tonight.

But I also think a lot of damage has already been done with the poor performances so far. Even if they turned it on tonight, those fundamental questions will remain and I would still expect them to come back to bite us in future games.

Not necessarily.

I'd counter than I'd rather have my bad games in the group, than in the knockouts, where there are no second chances.

Whilst we've been very poor, I do understand some logic, theae sides are sitting in and waiting to counter on us.
Southgate should be going all at it, even if they score 2, a full flowing England should outscore them.

I wouldn't expect too much variance here either. Slovenia are typically a low scoring side, well organised at the back with Drsik, Bijol & Oblak... but think alot will underestimate their attacking options, some handy players there Sesko, Sporar work well together.

Equally, England want to be considered the best; so beating Slovenia shouldn't be an issue, if it is... then you'll soon realise you're far from the best.

 

[miami]

Imagine picking 2 defensive midfielders against Slovenia? lol. And it is Gallagher rather than mainoo or Wharton, lol. Already through to the last 16, a chance to add an attacking midfielder in beside rice, or put bellingham beside him. Let foden sit behind Kane/watkins and bring Gordon in on the left. Then give palmer a go on the right after an hour and hook saka. Try and get the confidence going with a 3-0 win.

But mr negative Southgate plays it safe again. The man is a major bellend.

 

[gonetomorrow]

Lineker and Shearer should shut their big mouths and get behind the team.

 

[YoboCopter]

Lineker and Shearer should shut their big mouths and get behind the team.

there just saying the same as every other person who has eyes?

Whats wrong with that

They would literally be lying if they said england have played well

 

[Billy Dean]

Imagine picking 2 defensive midfielders against Slovenia? lol. And it is Gallagher rather than mainoo or Wharton, lol. Already through to the last 16, a chance to add an attacking midfielder in beside rice, or put bellingham beside him. Let foden sit behind Kane/watkins and bring Gordon in on the left. Then give palmer a go on the right after an hour and hook saka. Try and get the confidence going with a 3-0 win.

But mr negative Southgate plays it safe again. The man is a major bellend.

Would've liked to see Wharton start

 

[Billy Dean]

Lineker and Shearer should shut their big mouths and get behind the team.

It's the ridiculous hyping they do before criticising that is the bigger problem IMO

 

[MikeH72]

Lineker and Shearer should shut their big mouths and get behind the team.

Well as pundits, their job is to analyse the game and not “get behind the team”. So I don’t agree.

 

[Drico]

Well as pundits, their job is to analyse the game and not “get behind the team”. So I don’t agree.

It's like living in a dictatorship to hear some of the players' demands...

 

[Drico]

England's Euros record. Not exactly stellar

• 2020 (Various): Runners-up
• 2016 (France): Round of 16
• 2012 (Poland/Ukraine): Quarter-finals
• 2008 (Austria/Switzerland): Did not qualify
• 2004 (Portugal): Quarter-finals
• 2000 (Belgium/Netherlands): Group stage
• 1996 (England): Semi-finals
• 1992 (Sweden): Group stage
• 1988 (Germany): Group stage
• 1984 (France): Did not qualify
• 1980 (Italy): Group stage
• 1976 (Yugoslavia): Did not qualify
• 1972 (Belgium): Did not qualify
• 1968 (Italy) Third place
• 1964 (Spain): Did not qualify
• 1960 (France): Did not enter

It's why some of us - English people included, I think - are bemused when England think their peers are Germany, Spain, France, and Italy. All of those nations have won the European Championship three times (Germany and Spain) or twice (the other two). They have also won 11 World Cups between them and been in countless finals (Germany alone have been in another four World Cup finals and three Euro finals).

England are rivals to these countries in much the same way Christine Bleakley is rivals with Oprah.*

*courtesy Marina Hyde.

 

[MikeH72]

Southgate is a very bad football manager.

 

[Drico]

I hope we see a different England tonight.

But I also think a lot of damage has already been done with the poor performances so far. Even if they turned it on tonight, those fundamental questions will remain and I would still expect them to come back to bite us in future games.

True, but things can change in tournaments, and every side left is flawed in one way or another.

The tournament only starts at the weekend. I wouldn't write England off. Nobody need fear the Dutch or the winner of Italy/Switzerland - though both of those potential England knockout matches could go either way.

 

[summerisle]