Guardiola to be found out in the premier league

[kev]

I have to say the original post in this thread hasn't aged well.
Thoughts now @johnjoeefc ?

 

[Cork Evertonian]

I have to say the original post in this thread hasn't aged well.
Thoughts now @johnjoeefc ?

This thread though, is like a fine wine.It seems to be getting better with age.lol

 

[Cork Evertonian]

So people rate Guardiola as this great manager perhaps the best in the world but what defines a great manager.
Should a manager who is managing Barcelona with the best team in the world win the league and champions league... yes. he won the champions league twice with barcelona out of four attempts, he won the league 3 times out of 4. Is Luis Enrique a great manager too? or does he just managing a great team?
Should a manager with Bayern Munich win the champions league, a team who in his era there perhaps the best in the world.... yes, he didnt win it. He won the bundesliga 3 times but hardly surprising when he signed all their rivals best players from them, eg Lewandowski and Gotze.
My main point being, he failed at Bayern Munich, the league was a gimme for the them but ultimately the champions league he didnt even reach a final.
As for the premier league when did a team last win the league playing Barca esque style football? I dont think its been done. Look what that style did to Everton last season. Then compare Leicester's effective counter attack style.
For me Guardiola has done what has been expected of him as a whole on his career and certainly is no elite manager. His style will be found out and I expect him be struggling next season. I cant understand the hype and odds suggest Man City are huge favourites to win the league... not for me.

lollollol

 

[Wat Tyler]

I forgive you pip head. But you should’ve knocked Spurs out they got No chance v the RS

 

[Rook]

So people rate Guardiola as this great manager perhaps the best in the world but what defines a great manager.
Should a manager who is managing Barcelona with the best team in the world win the league and champions league... yes. he won the champions league twice with barcelona out of four attempts, he won the league 3 times out of 4. Is Luis Enrique a great manager too? or does he just managing a great team?
Should a manager with Bayern Munich win the champions league, a team who in his era there perhaps the best in the world.... yes, he didnt win it. He won the bundesliga 3 times but hardly surprising when he signed all their rivals best players from them, eg Lewandowski and Gotze.
My main point being, he failed at Bayern Munich, the league was a gimme for the them but ultimately the champions league he didnt even reach a final.
As for the premier league when did a team last win the league playing Barca esque style football? I dont think its been done. Look what that style did to Everton last season. Then compare Leicester's effective counter attack style.
For me Guardiola has done what has been expected of him as a whole on his career and certainly is no elite manager. His style will be found out and I expect him be struggling next season. I cant understand the hype and odds suggest Man City are huge favourites to win the league... not for me.

Could Pep take us to the top 4, eh probably not, could he even do what say Neil Warnock does and have consistent success in the championship w/ mid-tier championship payrolls, uh probably, but dunno. He's never managed anything but world class players his whole management career (on the flip side watching Warnock try to manage Man City would be great comedy and should happen once all the RS players get poached).

However when you have a where everybody is making 100K+/week and who's B-team could probably finish 3-4th its more managing egos and getting the players to fall in line. And no one is better at it than Pep is. The players know he has the backing of management and if they cause a stink, management is backing the manager. If Arteta took over that club tomorrow, they wouldn't play any different. However someone like Arteta probably doesn't have to ability to prevent a team mutiny when a couple players get disgruntled as they'll know Arteta would be on thin ice the 1st day he takes over.

 

[Khalekan]

I forgive you pip head. But you should’ve knocked Spurs out they got No chance v the RS

Well, they have a very good chance IMO.

And even if they lose, the RS winning the CL is by far the lesser of two evils and I think that had Spurs not eliminated City, the champions would not have won all thise games in the final month or so and we would have had our worst nightmare come true today.

So thank you Tottenham and good luck......

 

[Yank]

Have to admitt in his 3 seasons its hardly world domination is it

Winning it twice isn't being found out. Which is what the thread is about.

 

[Yank]

Thought he was pretty faultless under real pressure over the whole season but especially over the last 5 games or so when it came to the crunch. A real top manager I think it's fair to say.

Only a moron would say he's not a top manager. It hasn't been a doubt in years besides the thick headed.

 

[Yank]

The lesser of two evils. I hate how City got their money, but part of me is happy for them because I hate United, I've got family who are City and anything that keeps the RS off the top is fine by me.

I'm sure Moshiri is completely clean. You support who you support. None of us can control where big money goes.

 

[goodisonopheliac]

I'm sure Moshiri is completely clean. You support who you support. None of us can control where big money goes.

This is true. And we've been linked with Alisher Usmanov, and he's an unsavoury character.

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

I'm sure Moshiri is completely clean. You support who you support. None of us can control where big money goes.

This is true. And we've been linked with Alisher Usmanov, and he's an unsavoury character.

No such thing as a good billionaire.

 

[MikeH72]

I forgive you pip head. But you should’ve knocked Spurs out they got No chance v the RS

They beat City but they have no chance against Liverpool, how have you worked that out?

 

[MikeH72]

I think what he’s done cannot be debated at this point. He has proven this season to be THE best around, to motivate a team to win 14 games in a row when your rivals aren’t giving you an inch of breathing room is unbelievable. People can talk about the billions all they want, but Pellegrini was afforded the same fortune and had them an absolute mess finishing about 20 points behind Leicester City. It’s time you all put some respect on Pep’s name, he’s single handedly saving us from our worst nightmare while they’ve got Klopp.

 

[Wat Tyler]

They beat City but they have no chance against Liverpool, how have you worked that out?

Can’t see Spurs beating these in a final, just don’t see it.

 

[Billy Dean]

Could Pep take us to the top 4, eh probably not, could he even do what say Neil Warnock does and have consistent success in the championship w/ mid-tier championship payrolls, uh probably, but dunno. He's never managed anything but world class players his whole management career (on the flip side watching Warnock try to manage Man City would be great comedy and should happen once all the RS players get poached).

I disagree here. Pochettino has taken Spurs to regular top 4 positions so why couldn't Pep do that with us? Also I reckon Bielsa is a decent indication of how Pep's style would look in the Championship.