Guardiola to be found out in the premier league
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ForeverBlue92
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I really really hope so.
Give it 3-5 years and fans of Arsenal, MUFC etc will be bored stiff of not being able to afford going a game or watching their side get tonked by Real Madrid every weekend and will want to come crying back.
Tatty bye.
Seathestars
Player Valuation: £60m
Funny isn’t it, the two clubs who have won the most are the ones who’s supporters are cry arsing the most, the RS and Man U.
It was ok in their pomp with the RS 70’s and 80’s and more recently Man U who basically had a monopoly on most trophies and both would just walk in and walk back out with other clubs best players and now there’s a new kid on the block they’re ‘kin fuming.
I hope Citeh win the CL this year
It was ok in their pomp with the RS 70’s and 80’s and more recently Man U who basically had a monopoly on most trophies and both would just walk in and walk back out with other clubs best players and now there’s a new kid on the block they’re ‘kin fuming.
I hope Citeh win the CL this year
PaulPowersTash
Player Valuation: £15m
Superb post.
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
I think the main drivers of the super League idea are primarily those really top Italian and Spanish clubs, who having seen the emergence of the money making machine that is the premier league, and the ever increasing wealth of it's top members, with immense envy.
The transfer market has now become hugely inflated and it's the spending power of the City's, Liverpool and United's and even the 'lesser' clubs that is cornering the market. The only way they can foresee of stopping the English clubs becoming ever more powerful and monopolising European trophies, is to tie England's top clubs up and deny them sole access with a new super League, in which they themselves get an equal share of the increasing wealth and do not gradually become the poor relations.
There is however opposition from English clubs who aren't anything like as keen to kill the goose that lays the golden egg and from Germany too who are fiercely protective of their own set up with clubs being owned by their fans.
Without England and Germany the Spanish and Italian club's idea to tie the English club's in and share the wealth around is unlikely to make much progress.
The premier league team's won both trophies last season and with City and United favourites for a repeat this season. You can see there might be a pattern developing and they're seriously worried.
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We have proven beyond all doubt that you cant just buy a trophy. Hats off to City who did not give the cash to clowns. Likewise Chelski.
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
Crucially and laughably UEFA noted that a lot of their evidence was non admissable as it was beyond and well beyond the five year time limit.
They failed to state that that's the time limit in their own (UEFA's) rules, exactly the same (own) rules they totally ignored when finding City guilty in their own kangaroo court adjudicating on their own report.
It's absolutely laughable how such an incompetent corrupt organisation like UEFA could ever make such a purposely targeted conviction stick. How corrupt can you be to just ignore your own stipulations and then condemn them with a stinging ultra-harsh penalty, one greeted with rapture by the head of La Liga and his other cronies at UEFA headquarters.
They targeted City in a particularly vindictive and nasty way to protect their beloved FFP with everything on the line. They've lost and are now crying about the court and being judged by someone other than themselves.The only 'ridiculous' about this affair is why the upholders of FFP aren't in the dock themselves.
They failed to state that that's the time limit in their own (UEFA's) rules, exactly the same (own) rules they totally ignored when finding City guilty in their own kangaroo court adjudicating on their own report.
It's absolutely laughable how such an incompetent corrupt organisation like UEFA could ever make such a purposely targeted conviction stick. How corrupt can you be to just ignore your own stipulations and then condemn them with a stinging ultra-harsh penalty, one greeted with rapture by the head of La Liga and his other cronies at UEFA headquarters.
They targeted City in a particularly vindictive and nasty way to protect their beloved FFP with everything on the line. They've lost and are now crying about the court and being judged by someone other than themselves.The only 'ridiculous' about this affair is why the upholders of FFP aren't in the dock themselves.
As Bolasie, Siggurdsen, Tosun, Walcott, Kean and Iwobi have shown, getting the money (£200M ffs) to spend is not the problem.
Maine road Man
Player Valuation: £1m
You're talking sh!te and embarrassing yourself, and an epitome of a clueless 'rag'. Do you buy your players from Oxfam or something? And did Everton pay you almost 60mil to take Rooney and Fellaini? Have a look at this list on expensive players
Manchester United's 25 most expensive signings: Ranking them out of 10
Have there been more hits than misses at Old Trafford?
www.google.com
We put up with you rags giving it us many years, now man-ure have to live in our shadow. I can't be bothered crowing about it though lol
PaulPowersTash
Player Valuation: £15m
What the last couple of days has highlighted for me is the total lack of understanding and knowledge of FFP and in particular the complete non understanding of the specif City / CAS case by the media. That is both the printed & broadcast media. OK, I'm a City fan. I have been following it since 2014. So whilst far from being any type of expert I at least have a scintilla of what it's all about and what's involved.
You get clowns like Stephen Warnock, Stuart Pearce, Alan Shearer Darren Gough, Dan Roan etc speaking and writing on it and it's 100% obvious within seconds they simply do not have the faintest idea of what they are talking about and the sheep that they are preaching to simply lap it up. Stephen Warnock was a classic when he effectively said live on air at SKY 'City got fined so they obviously did something wrong / broke the law (or words to that effect). Alan Shearer on MOTD day openly saying that City were going to get banned. Same with Stuart Pearce on talkSport. None of them, any of them, didn't have a clue what they were talking about. City were completely exonerated of all charges. They got fined for 'not cooperating'. The reason they stopped cooperating with UEFA was because every time they handed over any information it was leaked to the media within 24 hours. City actually made a formal written complaint about this to UEFA and it's on the record. Hence the lack of willingness to help. They then talk about 'time barrred' offences. The reason they were time barred was because City had already been punished for those said offences in 2014 with a huge fine. As part of the full and final settlement a 5 year time limit was put on any of those offences being reopened after the agreed settlement date. That is pretty standard stuff for such agreements. The latest one is 'FFP is dead in the water'. Why? What has changed with the FFP rules since 9.29am on Monday morning? All of the rules, requirements and restrictions are still very much in place. The charges brought against City were extremely specific of falsely inflating sponsorship revenues. UEFA as is their right threw the book along with the kitchen sink at City and were from all reports were blown out of the water with the defence that they were presented with. Hence being completely exonerated. But still the fake news, ignorance, misrepresentation and outright lies continues.
It really does make you despair at the such low quality of the people in the media who actually make a living from spouting such rubbish. Never mind the people listening and reading to it and taking it all in as gospel.
I don't have or know any answers to this problem but I do know that football as we once new it is gone and it is never coming back. Sad. Very sad indeed.
You get clowns like Stephen Warnock, Stuart Pearce, Alan Shearer Darren Gough, Dan Roan etc speaking and writing on it and it's 100% obvious within seconds they simply do not have the faintest idea of what they are talking about and the sheep that they are preaching to simply lap it up. Stephen Warnock was a classic when he effectively said live on air at SKY 'City got fined so they obviously did something wrong / broke the law (or words to that effect). Alan Shearer on MOTD day openly saying that City were going to get banned. Same with Stuart Pearce on talkSport. None of them, any of them, didn't have a clue what they were talking about. City were completely exonerated of all charges. They got fined for 'not cooperating'. The reason they stopped cooperating with UEFA was because every time they handed over any information it was leaked to the media within 24 hours. City actually made a formal written complaint about this to UEFA and it's on the record. Hence the lack of willingness to help. They then talk about 'time barrred' offences. The reason they were time barred was because City had already been punished for those said offences in 2014 with a huge fine. As part of the full and final settlement a 5 year time limit was put on any of those offences being reopened after the agreed settlement date. That is pretty standard stuff for such agreements. The latest one is 'FFP is dead in the water'. Why? What has changed with the FFP rules since 9.29am on Monday morning? All of the rules, requirements and restrictions are still very much in place. The charges brought against City were extremely specific of falsely inflating sponsorship revenues. UEFA as is their right threw the book along with the kitchen sink at City and were from all reports were blown out of the water with the defence that they were presented with. Hence being completely exonerated. But still the fake news, ignorance, misrepresentation and outright lies continues.
It really does make you despair at the such low quality of the people in the media who actually make a living from spouting such rubbish. Never mind the people listening and reading to it and taking it all in as gospel.
I don't have or know any answers to this problem but I do know that football as we once new it is gone and it is never coming back. Sad. Very sad indeed.
Maine road Man
Player Valuation: £1m
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
Klopp saying the overturned ban 'a bad day for football'.
Won't repeat the same stuff I posted yesterday but Liverpool are very much part of the elite, they can afford to only grow carefully and incrementally. 'Protecting competitions' as Klopp termed it, is in effect just another way of saying protecting the clubs who have a chance of winning competitions from anyone else joining their number.
City were in the third tier around the turn of the century, and much later when taken over could never (realistically) ever catch the likes of United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool (the established top four) by growing incrementally, who on earth thought City a great place for really top players to go?
The only option for City's new owners was to spend their own money on their own club in their own way if they weren't prepared to wait the twenty, fifty or sixty years it would take to perhaps do it incrementally.
It's easy to speak when you're part of the club about the protection of competitions and clubs, it's not like with like at all and UEFA had one main purpose in mind - the protecting of small clubs was the useful disguise to hide behind.
Won't repeat the same stuff I posted yesterday but Liverpool are very much part of the elite, they can afford to only grow carefully and incrementally. 'Protecting competitions' as Klopp termed it, is in effect just another way of saying protecting the clubs who have a chance of winning competitions from anyone else joining their number.
City were in the third tier around the turn of the century, and much later when taken over could never (realistically) ever catch the likes of United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool (the established top four) by growing incrementally, who on earth thought City a great place for really top players to go?
The only option for City's new owners was to spend their own money on their own club in their own way if they weren't prepared to wait the twenty, fifty or sixty years it would take to perhaps do it incrementally.
It's easy to speak when you're part of the club about the protection of competitions and clubs, it's not like with like at all and UEFA had one main purpose in mind - the protecting of small clubs was the useful disguise to hide behind.
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
Top post and agree with 90 (or more) % of it. Where I don't agree is perhaps on FFP going forward. Yes on paper the rules are exactly same, and the City case as itemised in your post, was indeed very specific applying only to their particular case, however for all the truth of that, in terms of reputation and actual confidence in their ability to police their own agreements and laws to protect the framework and working practices of FFP, this case has done irreparable damage imo. If it was only the first time UEFA had been defeated in such a high profile case then yes, maybe they could just shrug it off as a one-off lost on a very specific technicality, but it isn't that, it follows on the heels of PSG and is part of a pattern. From losses such as these there is ALWAYS collateral damage no matter how they try and minimise it as only a technicality.
UEFA knew what was at stake reputationally and confidence in them will undoubtedly have been affected. UEFA can't realistically effectively again properly defend using profitability as a way of ensuring only incremental football growth, it can't even afford the really top, top lawyers that multi billionaire owners can to defend itself - in effect this part of FFP is finished imo.
It will stumble on as so many laws are connected with it but the path to the top for seriously wealthy individuals or states to spend their own money on their own clubs in the way they want has effectively been cleared. They may calculate on incurring heavy fines on the way but now know ultimately they can succeed.
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Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
Sorry duplicate, a mistake
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