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Guardiola to be found out in the premier league
- Thread starter johnjoeefc
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Lol at this thread
Yarrgh
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I think we enjoy it while it lasts. Can you imagine as a fan of one team, going onto another team's forum to have an online argument about a completely separate team?
I can understand City fans being on this thread in particular, as it would be interesting to get other supporters' views on what is transpiring at City and with UEFA and FFP in particular - because we have potential for being next up to that hurdle. It'd be the other way round if it was a United thread. Having said all that I am enjoying watching the airing of dirty laundry from other teams.
PaulPowersTash
Player Valuation: £15m
The great thing about City / FFP / CAS etc is that it is totally dominating all of the media channels - bar none.
The *asterisk* title which Liverpool 'won' has been completely and totally forgotten about. No one is interested and no one care one jot about it. It is already history.
If they do have their parade it will look just so small time from a club craving & demanding attention like a little spoilt child. If Calsberg did title wins then this year is exactly how they would do it.
The *asterisk* title which Liverpool 'won' has been completely and totally forgotten about. No one is interested and no one care one jot about it. It is already history.
If they do have their parade it will look just so small time from a club craving & demanding attention like a little spoilt child. If Calsberg did title wins then this year is exactly how they would do it.
anxiouswarrior
Player Valuation: £8m
No i am a United fan mate from Manchester , not a Liverpool fan no way not in a thousand years
Yarrgh
Player Valuation: £70m
I would love City to win the CL and come out with a statement that there won't be a parade due to the club's primary concern of the health and welfare of its fans and the local community. Especially if it was a treble - it'd really show that rs shower up for what they are.
Old Blue 2
Player Valuation: £35m
If you read the post properly, you would see that he is not calling you a RS fan. Here it is, to help you: "... You sound like a kopite..."
In other words, you are ranting on like one...
Minimeister
Player Valuation: £35m
You wait till City win the CL. They'll be jumping off lamposts just to get the attention back.
Chris O'Connor
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From his article - note Everton are NOT one of the 'hated eight' premier League clubs who include Liverpool, no wonder Jürgen Klopp and José Mourinho were singing from the same hymn sheet.
It's long but massively worth reading if you possibly can. Understandable if you think it's just too long that's fair enough as it is - I'll try and highlight just a few small sections in the next few minutes after posting ....
They did not waste time, the cartel. Within hours of the Court of Arbitration announcement, there was a remote scrambling of Manchester City's elite rivals and a discussion about the next plan of action.
This is not over. There is still a Premier League investigation into City ongoing.
There is still the chance to pressure and influence those proceedings, as was attempted with UEFA's case, when nine leading Premier League clubs — Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea, Leicester, Wolves, Newcastle and Burnley — wrote to CAS on March 9 to argue City should be excluded from Europe while their appeal was heard. They hadn't a clue.
They thought City were stalling, when they were actually pushing to get the appeal completed — the club couldn't move forward until it was — but the remnants of that group remain, as angry and desperate to protect their turf as ever.
UEFA are reluctant to appeal against CAS's verdict in the Swiss courts, where they have a dismal record but the Hateful Eight — as they are now known within the walls of the Etihad, because Wolves are believed to have pulled out — may join forces with the elites of Europe in an attempt to persuade them otherwise.
There was certainly talk of taking further legal advice, of poring over the longer CAS explanation of the verdict when it is published this week, seeking flaws that could be challenged or exploited.
Perhaps they will engage the same law company who wrote the legal letter to CAS the last time, Russells.
So that was stage one of the resistance. Stage two came when the managers sat in front of the cameras on Tuesday and toed the party line.
Mikel Arteta was off-message — due only to his connections with Manchester City and Pep Guardiola, because Arsenal are certainly part of this, perhaps even its greatest driving force — but Jurgen Klopp and Jose Mourinho did their duty.
'A bad day for football… disgraceful… FFP is a good idea…'
The irony of Mourinho, who benefited hugely from owner investment during his first spell at Chelsea under Roman Abramovich, advocating financial regulation now he is with frugal Tottenham is almost too ripe for comment.
Chelsea did everything that Manchester City have subsequently, and then worked to change the rules from the inside so that their path to the top could not be travelled again.
Yet, leaving even that gross hypocrisy aside, Mourinho's commentary was flawed. He argued that as City were fined £9million, they were guilty, so their ban should not have been lifted. It's a little more complicated than that.
The fine was for refusing to comply with UEFA's initial investigation — the ban was for falsifying accounts. It's like being charged with murder, and also resisting arrest. A person could be found not guilty of murder, but guilty of resisting arrest.
He wouldn't, however, then get a murderer's sentence. And even City's fine was reduced by two-thirds. Mourinho tried to be outraged but his heart didn't seem in it. Even he must be aware how straightforwardly logical CAS's decision was.
Klopp was different. Klopp imagined a dangerous world of super leagues and super clubs, crushing those below with untrammelled wealth.
'If the richest people or countries can do what they want in football, then that could make the competition really difficult,' he said.
'I think that would lead automatically to a kind of world super league with, like, 10 clubs.'
What — the sort of league that Liverpool keep talking about, in those secret meetings with other elite members like Arsenal and Manchester United, that always end up being uncovered and reported in the media?
Meetings with foreign power-brokers, often American, who want to create a closed shop Champions League, composed of the established elite?
As for making competition difficult, Klopp went on to espouse the German vision of club ownership, a system so competitive it has resulted in Bayern Munich winning the Bundesliga title for the last eight seasons — when no club in the history of German football stretching back to 1903 had previously won more than three on the spin.
Owner investment does not kill competition: it creates more. The penny is beginning to drop over what is being attempted here.
Wolves, having signed the original letter to CAS, are understood not to have been part of Monday's group call. Everton and Sheffield United were always outside the conversation. Why would they lobby to wrap ambitious clubs in red tape, stunting their growth and leaving them at the mercy of predators?
The big lie of FFP is that clubs should grow organically. Yet how is that possible if a middling organisation cannot invest further to compete, while its best players are poached? Leicester won the League and lost N'Golo Kante to Chelsea that summer. Ben Chilwell is likely to travel the same route this year.
Southampton could have been an outstanding team across the last decade, maybe another Leicester, but were denuded by Liverpool and others. FFP kills challengers.
There is no other industry that does not allow competition from companies injecting capital to improve performance and output.
If Saudi Arabian investment now makes Newcastle a force, how is that bad for the game? Don't Newcastle fans deserve that? Isn't the city worthy?
We all know the majority of the 10 super clubs that Klopp is talking about, and Manchester City aren't even part of the group, no matter their wealth.
Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus, Bayern Munich, AC Milan — there won't be room for too many others after that lot grab their share. Paris Saint-Germain might get a pass but only because Qatar, through beIN Sports, own the game.
Newcastle, Wolves, Tottenham, Everton, Leicester, Leeds, Sunderland, Aston Villa — there is no room for them at this table. And the fact one or more might even hope or begin to emulate City is what terrifies the cabal.
Arsenal, with all their advantages, are ninth, Manchester United still outside the top four. If they do not qualify for the Champions League next season £25m of their deal with adidas is lost.
Damn right they have a vested interest in finding ways to bar City, or any new challenger. The richest clubs are operating, ever more nakedly, as a protectionist cartel. And that's what is bad for football.
Damn right they have a vested interest in finding ways to bar City, or any new challenger. The richest clubs are operating, ever more nakedly, as a protectionist cartel. And that's what is bad for football.
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I'm honestly not sure who is falling on the right side of history here
I'm tempted to say it's the clubs who are just staying out of it all and letting the legal system take it's course, but then again I would considering who I support
Maybe no one is really right here?
I'm tempted to say it's the clubs who are just staying out of it all and letting the legal system take it's course, but then again I would considering who I support
Maybe no one is really right here?
PaulPowersTash
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Make no mistake about it - this is an orchestrated campaign against City.
The Plan - B now Plan - A has gone completely belly up is for the PL to instigate
their proceedings against the club. They fully understand that they have absolutely no
chance of winning, but that is not their aim. Their aim is to drag this on for another year
or two. All of the time the image of City and their achievements is tarnished & diminished.
It creates doubt and uneasiness with current and potential future sponsors. It keeps up
the narrative that City are guilty and they are the good guys trying to put a stop to it
and save football from the evil empire. So they will lose, but still win.
I also have to say that the PR department at City is either non existent or completely
and totally inept (I think the latter). For the club to lose the narrative within the media as
badly as we have done just 48 hours after what can only be described as a spectacular
victory is nothing short of diabolical and gross incompetence. There is no way any other
top club would have lost this so badly, so quickly. We have might have the best legal team
in the business but we definitely have the worst PR people in the business on our books also.
PaulPowersTash
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Apparently Carlo Ancelotti is the only Premier League manager to have sent his congratulations to City regarding the FFP /Cas result to date.
You have a good man in charge of your team.
You have a good man in charge of your team.
I'm going to be openly ridiculed for this, but here goes......
FFP dead(ish) and a huge win for City / Abu Dhabi / Pep, wait and watch now while stories start to emerge about doping, Nandralone, Pep's Drs (Cugat and Segura), teams under Pep (inc Man City) going missing for scheduled drugs test & the links to Fentes etc....
FFP dead(ish) and a huge win for City / Abu Dhabi / Pep, wait and watch now while stories start to emerge about doping, Nandralone, Pep's Drs (Cugat and Segura), teams under Pep (inc Man City) going missing for scheduled drugs test & the links to Fentes etc....
Many thanks for a timely reminder that the self entitled / self righteous/ fair minded followers of utd and liverpool are two cheeks of the same arse.