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Guardiola to be found out in the premier league

Had a feeling, about Lyon after the way they beat Juventus.

Ironically I always felt it was better for city to have to play the likes of Juve, Bayern etc as they often seem to switch off against lesser teams like Lyon. The French deserved it I felt.
 
Encoder said:
Glad to see Tiki Taka die out, so many boring teams who can't play it but insist on playing that way with rubbish players
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Spot on mate, you need certain players to do it properly (prime Messi/xavi/invests, David Silva etc).

Bobby Brown shoes killed it for me trying to force it on our cloggers - some of the most boring matches I've watched Everton play were under him.

Look at the teams who have been successful this season (and most others back in history if we're honest) - pace in key areas (full backs and up front) with direct running, midfielders passing forward early and then moving into space and defenders doing the basics and not all trying to be Bekenbauers.

It really is a simple game complicated by idiots.
 
NathDogg said:
Pep made a right pigs ear of the team and tactics, but their recruitment has been atrocious and has continued for me with them lumping on Ake, who is massively overrated imo.

Ederson isn't a good keeper (we know how that feels) - Brazilian Jordan Pickford.

City have really bad defenders who can't do the basics right, whom Pep also wants all to play like Bekenbauer when they cannot (again we know how that feels!) - that lad Marcal for Lyon embarrassed them last night, a proper defender who defends first.

The midfield he played was dire - Fernandinos legs are gone, gundogan is crap - why leave all that attacking talent on the bench in a one off game, and only giving Silva 6 minutes is fookin criminal - he deserves sacking for that midfield alone last night.

I think the likes of Clough, prime Howie and Fergie, Bobby Robson etc would have run rings around peps teams and tactics - football is a simple game complicated by idiots, like Pep.
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Bob Paisley.?
 

Don't forget how Pep won the treble only last season though.
Was Arteta the silent gem.?
Robbed against Spurs last time out in the C/L and if not could have won it all.
Yaya and Kompany sorely missed and the likes of Stones and Kyle Walker at 100 mill are just some
of the reasons for not sweeping the board again.
9 defeats in the Prem and still came second.
 
radiostar said:
Had a feeling, about Lyon after the way they beat Juventus.

Ironically I always felt it was better for city to have to play the likes of Juve, Bayern etc as they often seem to switch off against lesser teams like Lyon. The French deserved it I felt.
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Knives out for Pep. OK they lost an Important game. A game decided on a goal that shouldn't have been allowed, a missed goal that should have never been missed and a pickfordesque goalie error.
He hasn't done exactly bad this season, give him another chance.
 
NathDogg said:
Yes fella, Paisley and even Post-Everton instigated nervous breakdown Kenny Dogleash would embarrass Pep.
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Eh? You must have missed Pep taking Fergie’s Man U to the cleaners, twice, in CL Finals.

Bar the ‘94 games against Cruyff’s Barca of Romário and Stoichkov it was the only time in Fergie’s career when he literally could do nothing to stop a team...especially the 2011 final. His 1990s team getting rinsed by Barca was pretty standard (Bruce vs Romário, Pallister vs Stoichkov...that’s not a contest), but to see his team with genuine world class players in Ferdinand and Vidic getting pulled apart, twice, was very damaging for Fergie’s legacy.

Wenger has always been lauded as the best attacking coach in the PL era (possibly ever in England), but his teams were Barca-lite. Pep’s Barca is the greatest attacking side since Brazil 1970. He inherited a shambles when Rijkaard departed and in the modern era took football to a whole new level.
 
Not sure it's fair to say Guardiola inherited a shambles - Barca had won the Champions League a season before - only thier second one at the time.

Knives shouldn't be out though. He's probably Citys most successful manager ever already. He won a domestic treble last season and has won the title twice in 4 seasons. Its hardly a bad record. The Champions League isn't easy to win, that's why it's the pinnacle. They might well do it next season or the season after but this school of thought that city must win it is ridiculous.
 

Handball said:
I really don't know why this lunatic is given pet status on here. It's not like he's ever struggled as a Manager either for money or talent. He's never had to build a team or even be judicious in the transfer market.
Look at City, they were QPR before the money poured in. The last manager did what he's done on about a quarter of the wages and budget.
He's had everything he has ever wanted or needed and they've been shown up this season in the League and tonight on the CL.
If this blert was given our job with a 'sell to buy' remit, we'd still be struggling to break the top 7 in 3 years time.
He'd try and make Keane a ball playing Midfielder and want 400m to revolutionise the forward line.
I'd give him 2 months here before he started to gnaw at his own toe nails on the touchline.
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NathDogg said:
Spot on mate, you need certain players to do it properly (prime Messi/xavi/invests, David Silva etc).

Bobby Brown shoes killed it for me trying to force it on our cloggers - some of the most boring matches I've watched Everton play were under him.

Look at the teams who have been successful this season (and most others back in history if we're honest) - pace in key areas (full backs and up front) with direct running, midfielders passing forward early and then moving into space and defenders doing the basics and not all trying to be Bekenbauers.

It really is a simple game complicated by idiots.
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artetas_biggest_fan said:
Eh? You must have missed Pep taking Fergie’s Man U to the cleaners, twice, in CL Finals.

Bar the ‘94 games against Cruyff’s Barca of Romário and Stoichkov it was the only time in Fergie’s career when he literally could do nothing to stop a team...especially the 2011 final. His 1990s team getting rinsed by Barca was pretty standard (Bruce vs Romário, Pallister vs Stoichkov...that’s not a contest), but to see his team with genuine world class players in Ferdinand and Vidic getting pulled apart, twice, was very damaging for Fergie’s legacy.

Wenger has always been lauded as the best attacking coach in the PL era (possibly ever in England), but his teams were Barca-lite. Pep’s Barca is the greatest attacking side since Brazil 1970. He inherited a shambles when Rijkaard departed and in the modern era took football to a whole new level.
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Guardiola, Martinez and Silva all have very similar traits when it comes to football.

None of them focus on defence and play in a way where they really need certain specific types of players to be successful.

At the main team in Greece, Silva broke records, in Portugal he did well with a tiny team and only really fell short when certain players were out or the defence fell apart -- similar in a way to Martinez and Guardiola.

I think if you put any of those 3 managers into a 2nd tier league with one of the best 2 sides then they walk the league...where defensive mistakes wont be punished as much.

Also comparable would be the loss of Arteta with the loss of Silvas number 2 as well. It will be interesting to see what happens there with City.

Separately, Guardiola did very well at Barca with a lot of players coming from his b team. Similar to Wenger though he had a solid base to build upon and as with city when those defensive players age they both seemed incapable of rebuilding.

I think City give him one more season to deliver the premier league again and get to the champions league final. Fall short and i can see them going for someone like Allegri.
 
Zatara said:
Guardiola, Martinez and Silva all have very similar traits when it comes to football.

None of them focus on defence and play in a way where they really need certain specific types of players to be successful.

At the main team in Greece, Silva broke records, in Portugal he did well with a tiny team and only really fell short when certain players were out or the defence fell apart -- similar in a way to Martinez and Guardiola.

I think if you put any of those 3 managers into a 2nd tier league with one of the best 2 sides then they walk the league...where defensive mistakes wont be punished as much.

Also comparable would be the loss of Arteta with the loss of Silvas number 2 as well. It will be interesting to see what happens there with City.

Separately, Guardiola did very well at Barca with a lot of players coming from his b team. Similar to Wenger though he had a solid base to build upon and as with city when those defensive players age they both seemed incapable of rebuilding.

I think City give him one more season to deliver the premier league again and get to the champions league final. Fall short and i can see them going for someone like Allegri.
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Not like Allegri has a history of winning the Champions league either though does he.
 

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