Guardiola to be found out in the premier league

[catcherintherye]

Financial doping was a term first coined - as far as I recall - by Wenger to describe Abramovic’s spending at Chelsea. It can be broadly defined as operating without traditional financial constraints, buying without consideration of a balance sheet and spending in a manner that others would find wholly unsustainable and possibly catastrophic.

While Chelsea’s model eventually became more self-sustainable, it didn’t set out like that. Wenger - amongst others - took exception to this and called it out.

City’s model certainly began in a similar fashion as they looked to advance their commercial revenues to help balance the huge outgoings on talent. Unlike Chelsea, there are significant question marks around the nature of sponsors and curious revenue streams that are used to justify their outgoings.

In July, the Court of Appeal blocked City’s attempt to prevent details of the PL’s investigation into allegations of financial irregularities becoming public. I believe the investigation is in progress as we speak.

I guess ‘financial doping’ is an unhelpful, ambiguous term in the context of City as the issues are more complex than simply buying a load of good players. Comparisons with Chelsea are apples and oranges at this stage.

Thanks for that mate.

What I get from this, is that it was a term initially from a white guy labelled at a Jewish person to insult them about how they spent their money. It's now used to do the same to people who are Arab's. It's very clear it is a racist dog whistle.

The point on the 2nd part just shows the stupidity of people. Many many businesses spend in the short term in a way that seems a bit unusual, because they feel there is a long term benefit. Abramovich will have seen his initial investment multiply many times over as the value of Chelsea has grown.

This is perfectly normal for business, and even football. The pearl clutching (with just a bit of racist undertones) really needs to be challenged. What Wenger is saying makes no sense, as in that time Arsenal got into far more debt than Chelsea anyway to build a stadium.

 

[catcherintherye]

This thread kills me every time it pops up

8 Trophies (10 if you include charity shield) in 5 years.

Manchester City

• Premier League: 2017–18, 2018–19, 2020–21
• FA Cup: 2018–19
• EFL Cup: 2017–18, 2018–19, 2019–20, 2020–21
• FA Community Shield: 2018, 2019
• UEFA Champions League runner-up: 2020–21

But @EverTheOptimist thinks City fans are jealous of Liverpool and United, who spend comparable values on wages. One hasnt won a bean for 4 years, the other has spent billion to win 1 league title in 32 years (and a highly contested league title as well, as it wasnt even within the confines of a normal season).

 

[catcherintherye]

Where did he say you were white? He said you were being racist. You’re not very bright are you?

That is correct. People who arent white can also be racist.

 

[catcherintherye]

Don’t be a silly sausage, plus there’s no racism in any of his posts. It’s a fact that the government of the UAE have questionable human rights records. If it’s racist to point that out then I guess we need to get on the telephone to the likes of Amnesty International and tell them not to be racist.

I can only deduce that you’re drunk because you’re chatting nonsense, which is fair enough really because it’s well gone 11pm on a Sunday. Doesn’t quite explain your cuckoldery for Citeh but if that’s your bag then good luck with it.

What cuckoldery? Saying they have been successful is not cuckoldery, it's just pointing the reality on the ground. Theyve won loads. I hope I see a day where we can do that. I dont spend my life being bitter and angry at people who are successful. It's pointless. I can say well done where it is due.

Re the racism, the racism is in dog whistles such as "financial doping" but also in lumping in all brown people together. The UAE has a terrible human rights record, so does America. But we never hold every American to be guilty of the crimes of their government, so not sure why we would do the same for City.

A court have already found UAE do not own City. So the only conclusion I can draw is that the race of those involved plays a key factor in why the negative views are generated (especially as we live in a very Islamaphobic society).

I mean, it's not just modern owners either. John Houlding pumped loads of money into Everton and then Liverpool. So much so, neither club would be where we are without it. But that's never highlighted as "financial doping". It perhaps seems reasonable to ask why?

 

[GP_Monty]

But @EverTheOptimist thinks City fans are jealous of Liverpool and United, who spend comparable values on wages. One hasnt won a bean for 4 years, the other has spent billion to win 1 league title in 32 years (and a highly contested league title as well, as it wasnt even within the confines of a normal season).

Way to deliberately omit the CL, which City have still never won and will be Peps biggest failure should this continue to be the case.

 

[catcherintherye]

Way to deliberately omit the CL, which City have still never won and will be Peps biggest failure should this continue to be the case.

Do you think City fans are the least bit jealous of that though?

Like they were in division 3 recently.

If I offered you 6 league titles, and multiple domestic trophies, would you be happy with that for Everton?

 

[Simon Buttle]

Well they do. I'm not disagreeing with you, and it's totally bizarre that they have to spend, but they don't have a centre forward.

They did it without one last year, but missed out on a CL, because ultimately, they were toothless upfront.

They needed a CF more than they needed Grealish, but here we are.

They bought Grealish because Silva has said he wants to leave for more game time and there has talk for a while that Sterling wanted to head back down to London, also KDB is not getting any younger and seems to be picking up injuries and as good as he is Foden goes missing during games at times if you watch him. I do agree in principle with the point made in that I thought a forward/striker would be their first signing.

 

[sageyefc]

This thread kills me every time it pops up

8 Trophies (10 if you include charity shield) in 5 years.

Manchester City

• Premier League: 2017–18, 2018–19, 2020–21
• FA Cup: 2018–19
• EFL Cup: 2017–18, 2018–19, 2019–20, 2020–21
• FA Community Shield: 2018, 2019
• UEFA Champions League runner-up: 2020–21

Give alladyce a billion to spend and he does that

 

[JLW]

Give alladyce a billion to spend and he does that

Im not sure Walcott and Tosun would get enough goals to even win a charity shield mate

 

[twoblue]

Thanks for that mate.

What I get from this, is that it was a term initially from a white guy labelled at a Jewish person to insult them about how they spent their money. It's now used to do the same to people who are Arab's. It's very clear it is a racist dog whistle.

The point on the 2nd part just shows the stupidity of people. Many many businesses spend in the short term in a way that seems a bit unusual, because they feel there is a long term benefit. Abramovich will have seen his initial investment multiply many times over as the value of Chelsea has grown.

This is perfectly normal for business, and even football. The pearl clutching (with just a bit of racist undertones) really needs to be challenged. What Wenger is saying makes no sense, as in that time Arsenal got into far more debt than Chelsea anyway to build a stadium.

Mate you write a lot of interesting posts. This though, is over reaching to the extreme.
Calling out racism when it exists is part of the solution, seeking out racism where it doesn’t exist makes you part of the problem.

 

[catcherintherye]

Mate you write a lot of interesting posts. This though, is over reaching to the extreme.
Calling out racism when it exists is part of the solution, seeking out racism where it doesn’t exist makes you part of the problem.

Why are Arabic owners held to a different standard then?

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Interesting reading the last few pages.

Have we firmly established if it is racist to take strong objection to non-western financial support for football clubs or not?

 

[Paris]

What cuckoldery? Saying they have been successful is not cuckoldery, it's just pointing the reality on the ground. Theyve won loads. I hope I see a day where we can do that. I dont spend my life being bitter and angry at people who are successful. It's pointless. I can say well done where it is due.

Re the racism, the racism is in dog whistles such as "financial doping" but also in lumping in all brown people together. The UAE has a terrible human rights record, so does America. But we never hold every American to be guilty of the crimes of their government, so not sure why we would do the same for City.

A court have already found UAE do not own City. So the only conclusion I can draw is that the race of those involved plays a key factor in why the negative views are generated (especially as we live in a very Islamaphobic society).

I mean, it's not just modern owners either. John Houlding pumped loads of money into Everton and then Liverpool. So much so, neither club would be where we are without it. But that's never highlighted as "financial doping". It perhaps seems reasonable to ask why?

Well, I was trying to help you out by providing a ready made excuse but this baloney doesn’t really help you.

However I agree that United’s owners shouldn’t be trusted around children.

 

[twoblue]

Why are Arabic owners held to a different standard then?

I don't think they are. Chelsea had the same criticism, Blackburn had the same criticism. Manchester City are where they are now - top of the pile with no real history of success - because of the money that their owners put in since they took over. Financial Doping is a buzz phrase used to be critical of them and its exacerbated these days by Twitter and forums so the term is churned out and in wider circulation.
Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd are exempt from the same criticism due to the fact they have historically always won titles and been considered "big clubs"
If the owners were Russian, or French, or English - people would still take exception to the level of investment they have made.
I actually don't care that much. In fact I like Man City, a club similar to ours that have to put up with their loud mouth neighbours in Red.
Fact is "Financial Doping" term is 100% fueled by Jealousy, it is not, in any way, shape or form, racism.

 

[dead_soft]

Why are Arabic owners held to a different standard then?

Is this true though? Or is it that City and PSG's owners are the richest around? You also said 'A court have already found UAE do not own City. So the only conclusion I can draw is that the race of those involved plays a key factor in why the negative views are generated (especially as we live in a very Islamaphobic society).' - but the Deputy Prime Minister of the UAE who is a member of the royal family of Abu Dhabi owns the club. The club is owned as a form of soft power for the UAE and to help create positive feeling towards the owners and the country. That MCC also go along with this is another and incredibly grim part of public private enterprise.
You're struggling to defend City so have started suggesting it can only be race but can't actually back this up much. I'm not sure why you'\re so keen to defend City though.