Guardiola to be found out in the premier league

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Western ownership is regularly subjected to heavy opposition. The Glazers are subjected to significant criticism - both from United's fanbase and journalists due to the debt they have imposed on the club. Similarly, Hicks and Gillett received strong criticism and were eventually removed as owners of Liverpool after a court ruling. Mike Ashley is given very harsh coverage by many in the media and across football. Blackpool are still suffering from the toxic ruins of Owen Oyston’s ownership.

The legal-based accusations against City's ownership are due to financial irregularities - specifically alleged breaches of financial fair play. This follows a two year operation after leaks to the German publication Der Spiegel. Assigning a race-related motive to such complex and protracted legal wrangling is possibly unhelpful and problematic. If City are innocent of these breaches then a court will find in their favour.

The three cases cited are by the clubs own fans. Mostly because they've won nothing / not hit the heights expected.

Yet city and Chelsea get all sorts lobbed. By reds frequently. You're not a red are you?

 

[Billy Dean]

What is going on in here

Nobody cares about Houlding because it was 100 years ago

I think that's sort of the point. The richest clubs have always been the most successful.

 

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Bita catcher, bita racism, red men indie gaf.

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[JimmyJeffers]

Does @PaulPowersTash not post anymore? Thank god for that. The lying, supersixer, butt sucker. Most boring man alive.

 

[catcherintherye]

The Abu Dhabi Royal Family own Man City. Donald Trump does not own any football clubs - in fact his main involvement with football has been the number of times he called out the US Team and had multiple articles ridiculing him.

But the Echo have mentioned it - I'm not exactly sure what you are asking for?

Liverpool director backed Trump while FSG donated 'more than $5.2m to US race'

Members of the FSG hierarchy - who own Liverpool - have been no stranger to making pledges in the race for the White House

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

I'm asking for a bit more critical analysis.

And Sheikh Mansour owns City.

 

[catcherintherye]

Does @PaulPowersTash not post anymore? Thank god for that. The lying, supersixer, butt sucker. Most boring man alive.

It looks like I'm filling in for him annoying everyone!

 

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This thread would benefit from some more hot Pep chat imo

 

[catcherintherye]

Why not at Everton and Liverpool for benefitting from the Houlding investment? Why is that not framed as "doping"?
No one had come up with the phrase 100+ years ago

“It seems overwhelmingly directed at owners from a certain background.” “99% of it seems to be directed at Citys owners though”

it seems 100% aimed at owners who invest in clubs and who haven’t traditional been amongst the elite, then buy up the top talent from across the globe. Don’t make this a bigger issue than it is.

The colour of the skin is not reason for the critiisism.

we have a problem in this country with people claiming it’s “political correctness gone made”. calling out racism where it doesn’t exist gives these people fuel.
reign it in and keep fighting the good fight where it matter ?

Yes fair points.

I appreciate Houlding was a long time ago, and so was Moores. But Jack Walker wasn't. The discussion around soending owners seems to be pearl clutching when it's an Arabic owner (City & PSG) or pretending it never happened with UK owners. There are senior journalists who ignore this stuff too.

Now it may be coincidental. But I dont really believe in coincidences.

 

[d34noj]

Guardiola's contract ends in summer 23.

Klopp's ends in summer 24.

Klopp turned down United and Munich which looks like he prefers a project to build with no straight away pressure like his previous clubs and present club, Pep goes where the most money is, he likes it easy does Pep.

If I was a Betting man, big money on Pep going to another easy job with loads to spend because that is all he knows what to do, so PSG stands out like a sore thumb, he already said he won't manage a other PL club, so no Chelsea or United, won't go to Real, and he won't go to back to debt ridden Barca.

Klopp will be next job will be the German national team.

Oh dry your tears.

 

[roydo]

Yes fair points.

I appreciate Houlding was a long time ago, and so was Moores. But Jack Walker wasn't. The discussion around soending owners seems to be pearl clutching when it's an Arabic owner (City & PSG) or pretending it never happened with UK owners. There are senior journalists who ignore this stuff too.

Now it may be coincidental. But I dont really believe in coincidences.

Its strange this.

I honestly dont think there is a racist issue with critics of any club owner. There is natural football tribalism, and the inevitable blame game when a club does sommet like Chelsea or City or PSG steal and march cos of their owners cash.

I mean, look at some of the utter train wrecks over the years; they were crap owners, whether they were Icelandic, Indian, didnt know where Bury was, or Peter Risdale.

Like, the richest bloke in the UK, (cant remember his name, some dot com fella), bought some club abroad. If he knacks it up, are that clubs fans anti Brit?

Or if China bought the RS, as Blues we would naturally, in the football logic way, have a pop. Its not racist, its being bloody annoyed.

 

[dead_soft]

I'm asking for a bit more critical analysis.

And Sheikh Mansour owns City.

He is the owner of ABUG which is the investment arm of the Abu Dhabi Royal Family which owns Manchester City. And, it is clearly an extension of soft power by the UAE and there’s not much pretence otherwise. It’s strange that you’d try and pretend it isn’t.
USA has heaps of problems with cultural imperialism and its use of soft power to legitimise horrible parts of its regime. They are seperate arguments though.
Do you feel it is wrong to criticise the human rights record of the UAE and the use of football to try and wash their image within the global community?

 

[dead_soft]

Yes fair points.

I appreciate Houlding was a long time ago, and so was Moores. But Jack Walker wasn't. The discussion around soending owners seems to be pearl clutching when it's an Arabic owner (City & PSG) or pretending it never happened with UK owners. There are senior journalists who ignore this stuff too.

Now it may be coincidental. But I dont really believe in coincidences.

I’ve yet to see you put much forward in evidence or actual argument

 

[catcherintherye]

Its strange this.

I honestly dont think there is a racist issue with critics of any club owner. There is natural football tribalism, and the inevitable blame game when a club does sommet like Chelsea or City or PSG steal and march cos of their owners cash.

I mean, look at some of the utter train wrecks over the years; they were crap owners, whether they were Icelandic, Indian, didnt know where Bury was, or Peter Risdale.

Like, the richest bloke in the UK, (cant remember his name, some dot com fella), bought some club abroad. If he knacks it up, are that clubs fans anti Brit?

Or if China bought the RS, as Blues we would naturally, in the football logic way, have a pop. Its not racist, its being bloody annoyed.

I think there is some conflation of what I'm saying here though.

I have been quite clear, criticism is not automatically racist. However the framing of the owners, by those within the media, and sections of certain support basis (not EFCs) comes across as racist to me.

We have framed trying to invest in a football club as an evil thing. Phrases like "financial doping" have been invented and seemingly gained popularity when City did it.

If people can explain to me, why that is other than race, I'm happy to here it. Why did Jack Walker "invest" but Sheikh Mansour "financially dope". Likewise, I'm open to here why a individual is responsible for every wrongdoing that his country does? Again it feels a double standard to me.

 

[catcherintherye]

I’ve yet to see you put much forward in evidence or actual argument

For what?

I've put forward a number of arguments mate, you might not agree with them, but you cant really accuse me of not putting forward a point of view!

 

[catcherintherye]

He is the owner of ABUG which is the investment arm of the Abu Dhabi Royal Family which owns Manchester City. And, it is clearly an extension of soft power by the UAE and there’s not much pretence otherwise. It’s strange that you’d try and pretend it isn’t.
USA has heaps of problems with cultural imperialism and its use of soft power to legitimise horrible parts of its regime. They are seperate arguments though.
Do you feel it is wrong to criticise the human rights record of the UAE and the use of football to try and wash their image within the global community?

You are making a lot of leaps here. Theres no doubt there are some overlaps, but clearly they are different bodies.

In the same way, fir example the Glaziers overlap with the Republican Party. I'm not saying they do so in as explicit way, but overlaps between politics and economics always tend to exist.