A 6 isn't crap, no.are you saying a 6 isn't crap?
A 6 is like your average-decent display. You ideally want your players to be hitting 7/8s every week.
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A 6 isn't crap, no.are you saying a 6 isn't crap?
I will hold my hand up and admit those are good numbers for Gylfi, but, for too much of his tenure with us, it's the exception to the rule.
And I will stand by anyone who says "but he runs a lot" isn't a worthwhile stat. That's a "use your eyes" scenario. I just don't see his running do much of anything most of the time.
A 6 isn't crap, no.
A 6 is like your average-decent display. You ideally want your players to be hitting 7/8s every week.
are you saying a 6 isn't crap?
It's not meaningless C.
People say he was anonymous. He wasn't, and the stats back it up.
I hate the 'stats are meaningless' argument. They really aren't. They help prove certain opinions and disprove others (whether that's positive or negative).
People are great at saying 'oh, he was useless', without anything to back it up.
I did the same for Gueye the other day. Gueye wasn't great on the ball (and the stats back that up) but he was excellent defensively (and the stats prove he was the highest on the pitch in all the defensive categories).
I'm not really into the xG stuff, and there's some stats (like 'good crosses') that are definitely a bit wishy washy, but most of them are a solid way to help gauge a performance.
If i may wade in-
stats are decent indicators of where to start an analysis but they should never be used in isolation. They should always be contexualised.
For example, judging a "Number 10" on assists (you know where i'm going with this, in this thread) is fine as long as you contextualise it with the quality of the finishing ahead of him.
So as on Sunday, if Sigurdssen puts us through on goal twice as he did and we don't score- what more can he do? He'll get zero for assists.
So stats are telling you he didn't create a goal but your eyes tell you he did everything he could to create the goalscoring chance. We just had Walcott (twice I think, i'll check) crap himself.
Same goes for Davies with that through ball to DCL early on. That should have been an assist. It wasn't and seemingly we use the fact it wasn't to beat the player's 'ineffectiveness'.
Bonkers.
You're being ridiulous there mate. Stats are facts that are used to interpret and provide an opinion. They aren't made up numbers. Just because you don't like to use them because of whatever reason doesn't mean they can't be used by others to provide an opinion.
A 6/10 is your bog standard unspectacular rating. The sort of performance the likes of a Tom Cleverley or Morgan Schneiderlin would make a career off, not a £45m playmaker.
yeh, so like I said, not his best game on Sunday but he did okay.
need more from him, not disputing that.
I think we have to accept that players will not play to the peak of their ability all of the time. Also, that different players have different levels of "peak". I think our fans problem, and possibly a problem with fans universally, is that we come to judge players performances against their peak. I always thought this was an issue with Barkley. Often he'd under perform against what we know he can do and get absolutely sledged on here, when in reality he was quite possibly still our best player on the day.To do okay is not any where near good enough in my book.
If he was Ross Barkley, he`d have been hounded out of the club by now.
I agree. His top level is high, but we dont see it often enough. He’s been better this season, but he needs to do more to keep his place every match. And thats from a guy who loves Siggy as a player, but he is too invisible at times.I think we have to accept that players will not play to the peak of their ability all of the time. Also, that different players have different levels of "peak". I think our fans problem, and possibly a problem with fans universally, is that we come to judge players performances against their peak. I always thought this was an issue with Barkley. Often he'd under perform against what we know he can do and get absolutely sledged on here, when in reality he was quite possibly still our best player on the day.
Siggy came here with a reputation (and a price tag) which, I think it's fair to say, he hasn't lived up to often enough. He is one of our more capable and talented players, not to mention experienced. We need all of our players to play close to their best more often than not. When Siggy does that, because he is such a talented player at his best, he should be getting scores of 8/9s on a regular basis. A below par Siggy should comfortably still be scoring 7s or at worse a 6.
We need him to start performing for us. So far this season, IMO, he had a 9 against Southampton and possibly a 7.5 against Bournemouth. The rest have been 6s. That's not good enough for our main playmaker.
he wasn't hounded out tho, he's a rat