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2018/19 Gylfi Sigurdsson

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I will hold my hand up and admit those are good numbers for Gylfi, but, for too much of his tenure with us, it's the exception to the rule.

And I will stand by anyone who says "but he runs a lot" isn't a worthwhile stat. That's a "use your eyes" scenario. I just don't see his running do much of anything most of the time.

Again, I'll have a look later, but I don't think it actually is...
 
It's not meaningless C.

People say he was anonymous. He wasn't, and the stats back it up.

I hate the 'stats are meaningless' argument. They really aren't. They help prove certain opinions and disprove others (whether that's positive or negative).

People are great at saying 'oh, he was useless', without anything to back it up.

I did the same for Gueye the other day. Gueye wasn't great on the ball (and the stats back that up) but he was excellent defensively (and the stats prove he was the highest on the pitch in all the defensive categories).

I'm not really into the xG stuff, and there's some stats (like 'good crosses') that are definitely a bit wishy washy, but most of them are a solid way to help gauge a performance.

I like stats. I like analytics. But the only stat that matters is the scoreboard and he didn’t affect it so, sell.
 

If i may wade in-

stats are decent indicators of where to start an analysis but they should never be used in isolation. They should always be contexualised.

For example, judging a "Number 10" on assists (you know where i'm going with this, in this thread) is fine as long as you contextualise it with the quality of the finishing ahead of him.

So as on Sunday, if Sigurdssen puts us through on goal twice as he did and we don't score- what more can he do? He'll get zero for assists.

So stats are telling you he didn't create a goal but your eyes tell you he did everything he could to create the goalscoring chance. We just had Walcott (twice I think, i'll check) crap himself.

Same goes for Davies with that through ball to DCL early on. That should have been an assist. It wasn't and seemingly we use the fact it wasn't to beat the player's 'ineffectiveness'.

Bonkers.

I get what you are saying but it doesn't tell a full story does it? If Richarlison for example beats three men and passes to Sigurdsson who's marker slips over and falls on his backside and he then lays on DCL for a chance he gets the assist. There is zero context there. Then you will get a game where the opponent does a man marking job on Sigurdsson so he has no time to do anything, but his play results in others making space for themselves as he had tied an opponent up all game, where is the stat for that?

Assists in general are a dodgy way to judge players. Not as bad as the made up stats like mentioned above but still a very simple way to look at players. For me the only possible benefit stats can create in football is if you are maybe looking for a certain type of player but even then your eyes will always tell you more than numbers. All the stats pointing out that Sigurdsson (or whoever) has been great means nothing when by simply watching him you can see that he has been pretty average for us thus far.
 
You're being ridiulous there mate. Stats are facts that are used to interpret and provide an opinion. They aren't made up numbers. Just because you don't like to use them because of whatever reason doesn't mean they can't be used by others to provide an opinion.

No, I really am not.

Stats may be "facts" but the facts can be used to prove or disprove anything you want. Any fact a person would care to use in football I could quite easily shout down and say why it cant be used as an example.

It is not a statistic based game due to the many, many variables. Any statistical analysis needs some form of standard to base them off and football doesn't offer that.
 
A 6/10 is your bog standard unspectacular rating. The sort of performance the likes of a Tom Cleverley or Morgan Schneiderlin would make a career off, not a £45m playmaker.

yeh, so like I said, not his best game on Sunday but he did okay.

need more from him, not disputing that.
 
To do okay is not any where near good enough in my book.
I think we have to accept that players will not play to the peak of their ability all of the time. Also, that different players have different levels of "peak". I think our fans problem, and possibly a problem with fans universally, is that we come to judge players performances against their peak. I always thought this was an issue with Barkley. Often he'd under perform against what we know he can do and get absolutely sledged on here, when in reality he was quite possibly still our best player on the day.

Siggy came here with a reputation (and a price tag) which, I think it's fair to say, he hasn't lived up to often enough. He is one of our more capable and talented players, not to mention experienced. We need all of our players to play close to their best more often than not. When Siggy does that, because he is such a talented player at his best, he should be getting scores of 8/9s on a regular basis. A below par Siggy should comfortably still be scoring 7s or at worse a 6.

We need him to start performing for us. So far this season, IMO, he had a 9 against Southampton and possibly a 7.5 against Bournemouth. The rest have been 6s. That's not good enough for our main playmaker.
 

I think we have to accept that players will not play to the peak of their ability all of the time. Also, that different players have different levels of "peak". I think our fans problem, and possibly a problem with fans universally, is that we come to judge players performances against their peak. I always thought this was an issue with Barkley. Often he'd under perform against what we know he can do and get absolutely sledged on here, when in reality he was quite possibly still our best player on the day.

Siggy came here with a reputation (and a price tag) which, I think it's fair to say, he hasn't lived up to often enough. He is one of our more capable and talented players, not to mention experienced. We need all of our players to play close to their best more often than not. When Siggy does that, because he is such a talented player at his best, he should be getting scores of 8/9s on a regular basis. A below par Siggy should comfortably still be scoring 7s or at worse a 6.

We need him to start performing for us. So far this season, IMO, he had a 9 against Southampton and possibly a 7.5 against Bournemouth. The rest have been 6s. That's not good enough for our main playmaker.
I agree. His top level is high, but we dont see it often enough. He’s been better this season, but he needs to do more to keep his place every match. And thats from a guy who loves Siggy as a player, but he is too invisible at times.
 
That chances created stat is a load of hogwash. It counts any time a player gets a shot off, regardless of the quality of the chance.

Gylfi doesn't create good quality chances, if he did do he would have far more assists to his name in an Everton shirt. His corners and Free kicks for headers all count towards that stat and inflate the appearance of him being a creative player when in reality he's just a crap set pieces merchant.

In the bin with him. He's been badly crap for what we paid and in going to continue to use the price as a stick to beat him with until he starts delivering at the level that was expected of him when that money was paid.

Without a target man to hit with his crosses, corners and Free kicks then he is hopeless as a creative outlet and that's what he needs to be to play in that position when we are going to keep playing defensive players in the two midfield positions behind him.
 

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