2018/19 Gylfi Sigurdsson

[okellypj]

You misunderstand this point time and again, no matter how many times and different ways it's presented to you. People have concerns over the fact that Sigurdsson can, at times, fail to impose himself on games. I don't care whether that's his style, or how he wants to play the game, it is very often detrimental to us and so will be commented on. There are lots of things he's good at, and I think he's been one of our best players this year on an individual level, but it's a very valid criticism that he doesn't do enough to get on the ball and make things happen when we need him to.

That's not him being lazy though.

 

[Lanolin]

That's not him being lazy though.

It depends how you define lazy I suppose. Some people called Lukaku lazy for not making runs to the corner flag 40 times a game, other people thought it was fine that he concentrated on getting into the box. Same principle here, some people think it's laziness that he doesn't make himself for the ball and is content to stroll around waiting for it to come to him somewhere where he can shoot, other people think he's doing the right thing. Whether you call it lazy, lacking in intelligence, cowardice or playing to instruction, it can still be a problem for us.

 

[okellypj]

It depends how you define lazy I suppose. Some people called Lukaku lazy for not making runs to the corner flag 40 times a game, other people thought it was fine that he concentrated on getting into the box. Same principle here, some people think it's laziness that he doesn't make himself for the ball and is content to stroll around waiting for it to come to him somewhere where he can shoot, other people think he's doing the right thing. Whether you call it lazy, lacking in intelligence, cowardice or playing to instruction, it can still be a problem for us.

I think they are very different. Lukaku scored goals but he never pressed and I think it's fair to say he didn't work that hard for the team. Sometimes he would contribute nothing but a goal in a game (not necessarily a criticism) so I can see why he was called lazy.

Sigurdsson, as acknowledged, works hard pressing and defending, he covers ground (and has scored goals and has set up scoring opportunities). At the West Ham game his pressing was brilliant and I think his work rate particularly in the press is one of the reasons we are putting teams under pressure and playing so well. I can see the issues you have with him but that seems to me, to be more about the style of player he is, than him being lazy. I suppose it does come down to as you say how you define what lazy is, but I personally think it's unreasonable to call him lazy.

 

[Richard Anderson]

Still not his biggest fan but he’s been a bit more involved in games recently.

 

[Walken]

He's been a good cog in tge system of late, his understanding of the pressing game is second to none. He should be doing better with his shooting though, had a good few opportunities i expect him to work the keeper with

 

[EvertonFury19]

I suspect Siggy is going to want to get a goal this weekend against Fulham

 

[Tel001]

£22.5mil a season
5 year contract
= £112.5mil

You think hes worth that transfer fee which will likely be zero resale when the contract expires.

Big statement if true...

You do realise the amount of his transfer fee never changes don’t you? Like 22.5m a season is 45m devided by two? As in after 5 season it will be 45m devided by 5 = 9m a season? I don’t think we agreed to pay Swansea 22.5m for every season he’s here

 

[Tel001]

He had 4 key passes, actually. Hate that stat, but as bad as Gylfi was shooting the ball, he was fantastic with his passing. Think he was only slightly behind Gomes in pass accuracy. Outside of Richy, we took good care of the ball. Gylfi had a good game even for him in that regard.

Stopped reading after “ shooting the ball “

 

[Tel001]

It depends how you define lazy I suppose. Some people called Lukaku lazy for not making runs to the corner flag 40 times a game, other people thought it was fine that he concentrated on getting into the box. Same principle here, some people think it's laziness that he doesn't make himself for the ball and is content to stroll around waiting for it to come to him somewhere where he can shoot, other people think he's doing the right thing. Whether you call it lazy, lacking in intelligence, cowardice or playing to instruction, it can still be a problem for us.

Actually how “ you” define lazy doesn’t matter it’s the actual definition that matters. Siggy is not lazy , he works hard

 

[Lanolin]

Actually how “ you” define lazy doesn’t matter it’s the actual definition that matters. Siggy is not lazy , he works hard

Well no, that's not true at all actually. A dictionary definition doesn't work in a situation like this because it's a completely subjective matter. It's the same as arguing over whether somebody's slow, it all depends on what metrics you're using. A player can be faster than the average man on the street but still called slow, and a player can run around a lot and still be called lazy.

 

[Tel001]

Well no, that's not true at all actually. A dictionary definition doesn't work in a situation like this because it's a completely subjective matter. It's the same as arguing over whether somebody's slow, it all depends on what metrics you're using. A player can be faster than the average man on the street but still called slow, and a player can run around a lot and still be called lazy.

Siggy covered more ground than any other play in the ENTIRE LEAGUE for the past two season mate. That’s not lazy lol

 

[Lanolin]

Siggy covered more ground than any other play in the ENTIRE LEAGUE for the past two season mate. That’s not lazy lol

Yes, if your only metric for laziness is ground covered. That's not the only indicator of laziness though, which is exactly what I've just explained to you.

To be clear, I'm not saying Sigurdsson is lazy. It's not the word I personally would choose to describe the issue he has, but the point was that I can understand why people say that. I have a girl who works for me who can spend the whole day working, and appear to be busier than all of her colleagues, and yet to a man they would call her lazy. That's because the work she does is often fairly unnecessary, low pressure, stuff. She'll spend hours shredding, filing, restocking, ordering etc while they're left doing all the work that has deadlines, emailing people, dealing with aggro on the phone. I think this is similar to what people mean when they say Sigurdsson is lazy. The recent Chelsea home game for example, he spent the whole first half running round looking like he was working his socks off. But he hardly touched the ball. When we got the ball, suddenly those lungbusting runs he'd been making forlornly chasing Chelsea's defenders just stopped, and he was back to milling round at the edge of the box while the midfield tried to do something with it. The argument being put forward is that at times like that he needs to do more to involve himself in the game, and regardless of the semantics, I think it has some validity.

 

[Howard's Beard]

So do you reckon Gylfi's lazy or what?

 

[Creature]

Yes, if your only metric for laziness is ground covered. That's not the only indicator of laziness though, which is exactly what I've just explained to you.

To be clear, I'm not saying Sigurdsson is lazy. It's not the word I personally would choose to describe the issue he has, but the point was that I can understand why people say that. I have a girl who works for me who can spend the whole day working, and appear to be busier than all of her colleagues, and yet to a man they would call her lazy. That's because the work she does is often fairly unnecessary, low pressure, stuff. She'll spend hours shredding, filing, restocking, ordering etc while they're left doing all the work that has deadlines, emailing people, dealing with aggro on the phone. I think this is similar to what people mean when they say Sigurdsson is lazy. The recent Chelsea home game for example, he spent the whole first half running round looking like he was working his socks off. But he hardly touched the ball. When we got the ball, suddenly those lungbusting runs he'd been making forlornly chasing Chelsea's defenders just stopped, and he was back to milling round at the edge of the box while the midfield tried to do something with it. The argument being put forward is that at times like that he needs to do more to involve himself in the game, and regardless of the semantics, I think it has some validity.

So you mean skiving?

 

[Billy Dean]

He's following the exact same pattern he had at Swansea and Spurs. Inconsistent. Purple patches mixed in with barren spells. He's always been like that. Still overall I like him as a player. Even when he's not productive he does good work off the ball. Not his fault we paid so much for him.