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headlockgate: a quiet opinion

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If it was reported:
'DBB is grassing on her own fans. He only put his arm around her shoulders and said buy some players'.

Maybe we need to drop this. We have relegation looming.
 
Good post Maggo, it's what most people must be thinking. In addition the trail should also address the alleged threats made to board members - When? How many threats to how many board members? How were the threats made? Have 'jokey' comments (maybe in bad taste, but not a realistic threat) been made via social media, never seen by the subject, but somebody in the club who trawls for stuff & takes a screen shot? There is criminal legislation covering such activity and culprits on conviction would be dealt. These very serious allegations must be reported to the Police and a thorough investigation made. If the individuals do not wish to pursue such matters via criminal or private prosecutions that can also be accommodated via standard procedures. Meanwhile, however, it follows that if such activity has taken place, then the risk assessment made prior to the Southampton game (requested by the club through an unkown specialist, not the Police) is still valid until the perpetrators are identified and held to account. Until such time, if nothing is done it will prolong the continuing absence of board members from attending matches at a crucial time in the club's history. The whole saga needs a crystal clear, transparent and truthful explanation for everybody, which can be brought to the attention of the national media to substantiate the original assertions regurgitated on national TV, radio and newspapers ... or, if exaggerated or trifling matters have been blown out of proportion, to allay such fears for the individuals, their family, friends, colleagues and match going spectators who may themselves have concerns about being at risk in any over-spill conflict situation.
 

I came here to make a snarky comment about how we needed another headlock thread. Then, I saw the length of the post and got ready to be funny about that and all but, you son of a gun @maggo , you made me FEEL.

My only response is that the fans shouldn’t need to handled. There’ll always be noisy factions but the fact that so much of the fanbase is vociferously against the manager and board is a problem entirely of the board’s making. The issue has arisen because, collectively, the board has decided they need to handle this without taking the merest bit of responsibility.
 
maggo said:
Was talking to a friend and ended up with this big long vent and he said I should post it here. sorry if it’s a bit long, I’ve never written one of these before - I am just a humble Twitter shitposter on the daily. Cheers for reading :)

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It’s been a strange fortnight, but maybe this is the beginning of the final act of Everton as a tragedy.

Headlockgate is proving that, if nothing else, that the board at Everton is at best incompetent, at medium have their own agendas, and at worse, are trying to throw fans under the bus to save their own skins.

First off:
Let’s look at the situation as if it didn’t happen/is just a big misunderstanding.

This makes it look like people on the board are actively lying about fans to disparage them in the press. They’re throwing fans under the bus to tarnish the protest and the sit-ins. They think that the best course of action is to portray fans as an unmanageable rabble - violent, and thuggish, and who don’t understand all the good times we’ve had.

This is coming directly after “Moshiri”’s letter and the holy show of his Jim White phone call.

So they must know what they’re doing.

--

Next, the even worse option: that it actually did happen. That the club CEO, a 5’0 woman, was headlocked by an angry fan.

For whatever reason, be it location, timing, whatever, it does not seem to have been caught on camera - or that footage has not been released, and there doesn’t appear to have been close protection officers protecting the CEO of a Premier League football club (which is incompetence in and of itself, that someone was able to get that close to her).

There are several things here:

1. Based on the screenshots and statements from plod, this hasn't been reported. Maybe DBB didn’t want to press charges. Maybe it’s being dealt with privately. Maybe the club are keeping this hush-hush because the CEO being allegedly attacked by a fan is a huge embarrassment, and indicative of how acrimonious things may have become.

Either way, for two weeks, nothing has been said, and nothing came out of the club - not even via the usual leaky suspects.

2. Someone therefore went directly against this omertà, and leaked it to give the press reason to turn on the fans.

3. This, then, looks like either:
A) The board aren’t listening or talking to each-other
B) The board are actively disagreeing on how to handle things, and doing their own things independently
or
C) The board waited 11 days to weaponise a member of staff being attacked.

4. This also means that the board itself seems to be split on how to handle the fans and the fan protests.

How can they be expected to do their actual jobs — running a football club — if they can’t agree on a single path of action (handling the fans). If one of them tries to take one road, the other three go digging another. Some call their own individual journalist friends and declare a publicity war on the club’s own fans — their own paying customers — the same ones they refer to as representing as The People’s Club.

--

The worst part of it all is, either the club admits it lied to try to drag the fans - a frankly nuclear option - or it releases proof of the alleged attack; at which point, it's been two weeks of silence. Why? Why wasn’t this immediately proven, before the memes and jokes and suspicion started? At the base of it, we’re dealing with the possibility of someone being literally attacked. And this is how the club are handling it.

It’s embarrassing whichever way you spin it - either there are thugs amongst us, or they are liars.

How does Everton come back from something like that?
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Welcome trouble, post loads
 

maggo said:
Was talking to a friend and ended up with this big long vent and he said I should post it here. sorry if it’s a bit long, I’ve never written one of these before - I am just a humble Twitter shitposter on the daily. Cheers for reading :)

————


It’s been a strange fortnight, but maybe this is the beginning of the final act of Everton as a tragedy.

Headlockgate is proving that, if nothing else, that the board at Everton is at best incompetent, at medium have their own agendas, and at worse, are trying to throw fans under the bus to save their own skins.

First off:
Let’s look at the situation as if it didn’t happen/is just a big misunderstanding.

This makes it look like people on the board are actively lying about fans to disparage them in the press. They’re throwing fans under the bus to tarnish the protest and the sit-ins. They think that the best course of action is to portray fans as an unmanageable rabble - violent, and thuggish, and who don’t understand all the good times we’ve had.

This is coming directly after “Moshiri”’s letter and the holy show of his Jim White phone call.

So they must know what they’re doing.

--

Next, the even worse option: that it actually did happen. That the club CEO, a 5’0 woman, was headlocked by an angry fan.

For whatever reason, be it location, timing, whatever, it does not seem to have been caught on camera - or that footage has not been released, and there doesn’t appear to have been close protection officers protecting the CEO of a Premier League football club (which is incompetence in and of itself, that someone was able to get that close to her).

There are several things here:

1. Based on the screenshots and statements from plod, this hasn't been reported. Maybe DBB didn’t want to press charges. Maybe it’s being dealt with privately. Maybe the club are keeping this hush-hush because the CEO being allegedly attacked by a fan is a huge embarrassment, and indicative of how acrimonious things may have become.

Either way, for two weeks, nothing has been said, and nothing came out of the club - not even via the usual leaky suspects.

2. Someone therefore went directly against this omertà, and leaked it to give the press reason to turn on the fans.

3. This, then, looks like either:
A) The board aren’t listening or talking to each-other
B) The board are actively disagreeing on how to handle things, and doing their own things independently
or
C) The board waited 11 days to weaponise a member of staff being attacked.

4. This also means that the board itself seems to be split on how to handle the fans and the fan protests.

How can they be expected to do their actual jobs — running a football club — if they can’t agree on a single path of action (handling the fans). If one of them tries to take one road, the other three go digging another. Some call their own individual journalist friends and declare a publicity war on the club’s own fans — their own paying customers — the same ones they refer to as representing as The People’s Club.

--

The worst part of it all is, either the club admits it lied to try to drag the fans - a frankly nuclear option - or it releases proof of the alleged attack; at which point, it's been two weeks of silence. Why? Why wasn’t this immediately proven, before the memes and jokes and suspicion started? At the base of it, we’re dealing with the possibility of someone being literally attacked. And this is how the club are handling it.

It’s embarrassing whichever way you spin it - either there are thugs amongst us, or they are liars.

How does Everton come back from something like that?
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I agree with this, and also add that if DBB was put in a headlock - in a jokey way, a malicious way, a really aggressive way - whatever way it happened - there is a way of handling it that does not tarnish the reputation of all the fans. All football clubs have some examples of bad behaviour, racism or violence, for instance. . Normally it is handled by a swift punishment, and clear statement, and nobody ever thinks 'all the fans are racist / violent'. In fact we would have condemned the attack ourselves
 
maggo said:
Was talking to a friend and ended up with this big long vent and he said I should post it here. sorry if it’s a bit long, I’ve never written one of these before - I am just a humble Twitter shitposter on the daily. Cheers for reading :)

————


It’s been a strange fortnight, but maybe this is the beginning of the final act of Everton as a tragedy.

Headlockgate is proving that, if nothing else, that the board at Everton is at best incompetent, at medium have their own agendas, and at worse, are trying to throw fans under the bus to save their own skins.

First off:
Let’s look at the situation as if it didn’t happen/is just a big misunderstanding.

This makes it look like people on the board are actively lying about fans to disparage them in the press. They’re throwing fans under the bus to tarnish the protest and the sit-ins. They think that the best course of action is to portray fans as an unmanageable rabble - violent, and thuggish, and who don’t understand all the good times we’ve had.

This is coming directly after “Moshiri”’s letter and the holy show of his Jim White phone call.

So they must know what they’re doing.

--

Next, the even worse option: that it actually did happen. That the club CEO, a 5’0 woman, was headlocked by an angry fan.

For whatever reason, be it location, timing, whatever, it does not seem to have been caught on camera - or that footage has not been released, and there doesn’t appear to have been close protection officers protecting the CEO of a Premier League football club (which is incompetence in and of itself, that someone was able to get that close to her).

There are several things here:

1. Based on the screenshots and statements from plod, this hasn't been reported. Maybe DBB didn’t want to press charges. Maybe it’s being dealt with privately. Maybe the club are keeping this hush-hush because the CEO being allegedly attacked by a fan is a huge embarrassment, and indicative of how acrimonious things may have become.

Either way, for two weeks, nothing has been said, and nothing came out of the club - not even via the usual leaky suspects.

2. Someone therefore went directly against this omertà, and leaked it to give the press reason to turn on the fans.

3. This, then, looks like either:
A) The board aren’t listening or talking to each-other
B) The board are actively disagreeing on how to handle things, and doing their own things independently
or
C) The board waited 11 days to weaponise a member of staff being attacked.

4. This also means that the board itself seems to be split on how to handle the fans and the fan protests.

How can they be expected to do their actual jobs — running a football club — if they can’t agree on a single path of action (handling the fans). If one of them tries to take one road, the other three go digging another. Some call their own individual journalist friends and declare a publicity war on the club’s own fans — their own paying customers — the same ones they refer to as representing as The People’s Club.

--

The worst part of it all is, either the club admits it lied to try to drag the fans - a frankly nuclear option - or it releases proof of the alleged attack; at which point, it's been two weeks of silence. Why? Why wasn’t this immediately proven, before the memes and jokes and suspicion started? At the base of it, we’re dealing with the possibility of someone being literally attacked. And this is how the club are handling it.

It’s embarrassing whichever way you spin it - either there are thugs amongst us, or they are liars.

How does Everton come back from something like that?
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Short Version;
If a hypothetical random chairman (allegedly) told me it was Wednesday - I'd check to see if it wasn't Tuesday or Thursday.

Think the worst on this and you'll be in the right area
 
chicoazul said:
OK niceties over, someone attack someone and get the thread going please.
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Dear Mr Vault-Meister;
Who was it on here that first started this...'it's all the fans fault' thing, thus giving a hypothetical chairman the alleged idea to use it on the fans?

...*the standard - 'asking for a friend' disclaimer here
 
degsy said:
Dear @Vault-Meister;
Who was it on here that first started this...'it's all the fans fault' thing, thus giving a hypothetical chairman the alleged idea to use it on the fans?

...*the standard - 'asking for a friend' disclaimer here
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You needed a mirror turning on your hideous entitled pissbaby behaviour. Im a proud president of #BTF and won’t stop until Everton are relegated and I point out it was the fans all along.
 
maggo said:
Was talking to a friend and ended up with this big long vent and he said I should post it here. sorry if it’s a bit long, I’ve never written one of these before - I am just a humble Twitter shitposter on the daily. Cheers for reading :)

————


It’s been a strange fortnight, but maybe this is the beginning of the final act of Everton as a tragedy.

Headlockgate is proving that, if nothing else, that the board at Everton is at best incompetent, at medium have their own agendas, and at worse, are trying to throw fans under the bus to save their own skins.

First off:
Let’s look at the situation as if it didn’t happen/is just a big misunderstanding.

This makes it look like people on the board are actively lying about fans to disparage them in the press. They’re throwing fans under the bus to tarnish the protest and the sit-ins. They think that the best course of action is to portray fans as an unmanageable rabble - violent, and thuggish, and who don’t understand all the good times we’ve had.

This is coming directly after “Moshiri”’s letter and the holy show of his Jim White phone call.

So they must know what they’re doing.

--

Next, the even worse option: that it actually did happen. That the club CEO, a 5’0 woman, was headlocked by an angry fan.

For whatever reason, be it location, timing, whatever, it does not seem to have been caught on camera - or that footage has not been released, and there doesn’t appear to have been close protection officers protecting the CEO of a Premier League football club (which is incompetence in and of itself, that someone was able to get that close to her).

There are several things here:

1. Based on the screenshots and statements from plod, this hasn't been reported. Maybe DBB didn’t want to press charges. Maybe it’s being dealt with privately. Maybe the club are keeping this hush-hush because the CEO being allegedly attacked by a fan is a huge embarrassment, and indicative of how acrimonious things may have become.

Either way, for two weeks, nothing has been said, and nothing came out of the club - not even via the usual leaky suspects.

2. Someone therefore went directly against this omertà, and leaked it to give the press reason to turn on the fans.

3. This, then, looks like either:
A) The board aren’t listening or talking to each-other
B) The board are actively disagreeing on how to handle things, and doing their own things independently
or
C) The board waited 11 days to weaponise a member of staff being attacked.

4. This also means that the board itself seems to be split on how to handle the fans and the fan protests.

How can they be expected to do their actual jobs — running a football club — if they can’t agree on a single path of action (handling the fans). If one of them tries to take one road, the other three go digging another. Some call their own individual journalist friends and declare a publicity war on the club’s own fans — their own paying customers — the same ones they refer to as representing as The People’s Club.

--

The worst part of it all is, either the club admits it lied to try to drag the fans - a frankly nuclear option - or it releases proof of the alleged attack; at which point, it's been two weeks of silence. Why? Why wasn’t this immediately proven, before the memes and jokes and suspicion started? At the base of it, we’re dealing with the possibility of someone being literally attacked. And this is how the club are handling it.

It’s embarrassing whichever way you spin it - either there are thugs amongst us, or they are liars.

How does Everton come back from something like that?
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Nailed my thoughts on the matter that.

Whichever way you look at it, its a massive own goal by everton in that it makes us look very unattractive to investors.
 

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