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My nan grew up in Mönchengladbach in Germany, she’s from the same town as Joseph Goebbels. She said his nickname in the town was Löwenkopf (Lionhead) on account of the fact he loved himself and was very arrogant. She once told me “I knew there was something very off with him when he started knocking around with that Hitler boy.” Her mum was friends with Albert Speers mum. Her brother was killed when Germany invaded Italy, he parachuted into a town and was hit by a shell as he came down. My nan maintained to the day she died that she never knew what happened in the death camps.

She said most normal people hated the Nazis, she worked on a farm during the war and when they would come round to tell them what they could kill for themselves and what would be taken they’d go and hide livestock in the hills and just tell the soldiers that would come a wolf killed them or they died of a sickness.
 
In the 60's the American air force set up a simulation war game exercise to practice defending their country against Russian invasion. The RAF sent 8 vulcan bombers to be the russian side. Only one got shot down and the RAF nuked new york.

The Americans said it was a fluke and restarted the war games. It happened again.
 
...Everton were a founder member of the Football League. I always think those clubs should be more recognised, perhaps they should always be allowed to wear their home kits or have a unique insignia on their shirt.
Did you know we were enlisted as members without even applying ........the Fooball League just put us in as our application was late being done !
 

Came across this on the 'I'm from Kirkdale' Facebook page today. Absolutely fascinating history of a Scouser at war:

The fascinating story of a brave Kirkdale war hero who travelled the world.
The photo is of Private John "Barney" Hines surrounded by German equipment he had looted during the Battle of Polygon Wood in September 1917. Also known as "Wild eyes" he "was a man whose skills in fighting were needed and whose knack for souveniring was admired, but he had few gifts that a peaceful society valued." historian Peter Stanley.
The photograph of Hines at the Battle of Polygon Wood was published in late 1917 under the title Wild Eye, the souvenir king and became one of the best-known Australian photographs of the war. Many soldiers identified with Hines and were amused by his collection of souvenirs. The photograph was used as propaganda, and a false story developed that the German Kaiser Wilhelm II had become enraged after seeing it. Old soldiers felt that it represented the larrikin side of the archetypal digger.
Hines was known as one of the bravest soldiers at the front and would have been decorated many times had it not been for his lack of military discipline.
He earned his nickname because of his incurable habit of hijacking medals, badges, rifles, helmets and watches from the bodies of the German dead - and, in some cases, of those he captured.
Born in Liverpool in 1873, Barney Hines was always a rebel. Of German/ Irish descent, he ran away to enlist in the army at the age of 14 but was dragged home by his mother.
The family later lived in Eldon Street, Kirkdale.
Two years later he joined the Royal Navy and saw action during the Boxer Rebellion when he served on a gunboat chasing pirates in the China Sea. Discharged the following year, he went gold seeking around the world and was in South Africa when the Boer War broke out. He served throughout it as a scout with various British units.
His lust for gold continued and he searched for it in the US, South America and New Zealand. He spent over a decade in NZ and managed to collect an extensive criminal record. In August 1915 he set sail to Australia, probably after being turned down for NZ service due to his age and criminal convictions. Six days after arriving Hines first joined the Australian Imperial Force (AIF), falsely claiming to be 28 years of age as he was far too old to enlist. After a short stint in the AIF he was discharged on medical grounds. Undeterred, he haunted recruiting centres until he was accepted to serve in France in 1916 as one of the reinforcements for the 45th Battalion. By this stage of the war medical requirements were less strict due to the need for reinforcements to make good the AIF's casualties.
Now in France, the legend of this huge, powerful man who never showed fear, began.
He generally disdained conventional weapons such as his .303 rifle, preferring to go into action with two sandbags packed with Mills bombs. His commanding officer had a brain wave and gave him a Lewis gun, which was an immediate success. Hines was entranced by its spraying effect and announced in his broad Liverpudlian accent: "This thing'll do me. You can hose the b*ds down.
Another nickname he earned was Wild Eyes and at a later date the commanding officer was heard to say: "I always felt secure when Wild Eyes was about. He was a tower of strength in the line, I don't think he knew what fear was and he naturally inspired confidence in officers and men."
One of Hines' pastimes was prowling around collecting prisoners and loot with enthusiasm. His haul grew far too big for one man to haul around, and he opted at times to trade it for alcohol from other men in his unit. He dragged around his "military surplus" collection with him throughout the entire war.
He is also unofficially recognized as perhaps Australia's deadliest soldier of the Great War, having killed more Germans than anyone else in the Australian Imperial Force through his unorthodox, and near-suicidal tactics. On one occasion, annoyed at the sniper fire from a German pill-box, he ran straight at it, leapt on it's roof and preformed a war dance while taunting the Germans to come out. When they failed to comply, Hines lobbed a couple of Mills bombs through the gun port. A few minutes later the 63 Germans who had survived staggered out with their hands above their heads. Hines collected his "souvenirs" before herding his prisoners back to the Australian lines.
There were some near misses, too. At Passchendale he was the only survivor of a direct hit on the Lewis gun nest. Blasted 20ms. and with the soles of his boots blown off, he crawled back, got the gun working and continued firing until he fainted from wounds in his legs.
On one trip he came across a battered German dressing station. Creeping in, he found the surgeon standing over the operating table and, on tapping him on the shoulder, Hines was amazed to watch him topple over - dead from a shell splinter in the heart. Only one man had survived - ironically a wounded Tommy who was on a stretcher on the floor out of the blast. Picking the man up as if he were an infant, Hines carried him towards safety but he died before reaching allied lines. Hines lowered him gently to the ground then returned to loot the dressing station.
His booty wasn't confined to portable keepsakes. At Villers-Bretonneux he liberated a piano which he managed to keep for several days until he was persuaded to give it away. On another occasion he scored a grandfather clock which he carried back to the trenches. But, after its hourly chimes were found to attract German fire, so his mates blew it up with a Mills bomb.
In Armentieres he came across a keg of Bass which he started to roll towards the battalion. He was stopped by military police and told not to go any further with it. Unfazed, Hines left the keg and went ahead to round up fellow Diggers who returned to drink it on the spot.
When the AIF reached Amiens they found the beautiful cathedral city deserted. It was too much for Hines. He disappeared and was finally sprung by British military police in the vaults of the Bank of France where he had already squirrelled away millions of francs, packed neatly in suitcases.
He was hauled off for questioning by the British who, nonplussed on what to do with the reprobate, returned him to his unit. Later he was to boast that the escapade had cost him no more than 14 days' pay and that he had been allowed to keep the banknotes he had stuffed into his pockets.
But for all his incorrigibility, he was an outstanding, if unpredictable soldier who managed to capture many German soldiers single-handed.
Hines was also renowned for the party he held at Villers-Bretonneux after he found a cache of 1870 champagne and tinned delicacies. His mates were all decked out in top hats and dress suits which he had also acquired. It was to be his last party for some time. Just after it ended he scored a bullet wound over his eye, another in his leg and a whiff of gas. Despite protests, he was hospitalised at Etaples, being almost blinded.
A few nights later the Germans bombed the hospital, causing 3000 casualties. Hines hauled himself out of bed, found a broom which he used as a crutch and spent all night carrying the wounded and dying to safety.
After that he was invalided home thus ending his career at the rank of Private. His nine court martials ranging from drunkenness to impeding the military police negated his many acts of bravery, and he was demoted on numerous occasions.
Hines struggled to adapt back to life after the War and for the next 40 years he lived alone, he never married, in a humpy made of cloth bags near Mount Druitt on the outskirts of Sydney. The humpy was surrounded by a fence on which he hung helmets taken from German soldiers; he became well known to locals and unsurprisingly the local school children were afraid of him.
Unable to find consistent work he lived on his Army pension which he supplemented with odd jobs and by selling his souvenirs. In 1933 he gained renewed fame when the photo of him at Polygon Wood was displayed at the temporary Australian War Museum in Sydney and several newspapers and magazines aimed at former servicemen published profiles of him.
An article in the Returned Sailors and Soldiers Imperial League of Australia's magazine Reveille in 1934 highlighted Hines' desperate living conditions and stated that he had been unemployed for four years. Several former soldiers sent money to him in response to this article. Hines' pension was also doubled. Despite his poverty, Hines travelled to Concord Repatriation Hospital each week to donate a suitcase of vegetables from his garden to the former soldiers being treated there.
Hines told a journalist in June 1939 that he was seeking to join the Militia and hoped to fight in another war. He attempted to enlist in the military during World War II, despite being in his 60s, but was rejected. True to form he stowed away on a troop ship but moving slow, and suffering the effects of old war wounds, he was clearly out of place, his ruse was quickly discovered and he was sent ashore before the vessel sailed.
On 28 January 1958 Hines died at Concord Repatriation Hospital in his mid 80's. He was buried in Rookwood Cemetery in a grave which was unmarked until 1971, when the Mount Druitt sub-branch of the Returned Services League of Australia paid for a headstone. The Blacktown City Council also renamed the street on which he lived in the suburb of Minchinbury to John Hines Avenue, and a monument commemorating him was built at the nearby Mount Druitt Waterholes Remembrance Garden in 2002.

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For every one hundred Soviet soldiers taken prisoner by the Germans during WWII only three ever survived to return to their homeland in 1945 - only 3%

For example, during the Battle of Kiev (1941) the German spearhead encircled the 5th, 37th, 26th armies, and separate detachments of 38th and 21st.

This mean that between 452,700 and 600,000 soldiers were captured with other loses nearby bumping the number to nearly three-quarters of a million.

Working on that, you'd expect between only 13,500 and 22,500* to return from the original total, and that's before you actually include those killed in battle too.

*Obviously that's working off just an average, so could be more or less by a margin of 10% you'd expect.
I used to talk to a fella a Mr Roberts who was in the merchant navy and was captured as his ship was in port in Europe when the UK declared war.
His wages were stopped by his employers , from that day onwards.
He ended up in various camps , the last one just outside Paris.
Every year he went to parliament to try get that camp to be recognised as a concentration camp, as the few UK survivors could get a small payment, he didnt need it as he was well off, but others did The Israelis recognise it as such , and those that died there are named on a memorial over there,only the UK and I think Canada dont,
I said they will wait till your all dead them say the recognise it as one to save the money.
But every year without fail he carried on fighting.
I asked him about the camps over the years , the starvation ect and the cold in some of the camps, quite horrific , but one day he told me that what they suffered was nothing to what the Germans were putting the Russians through, same camp but kept separate, said they were treated like animals , basically ,worked and starved to death, with no care for them at all.
He said even accounting for his own poor circumstances he felt so sorry for the Russians prisoners as they were subjected to horrific treatment by the guards.
 
My nan grew up in Mönchengladbach in Germany, she’s from the same town as Joseph Goebbels. She said his nickname in the town was Löwenkopf (Lionhead) on account of the fact he loved himself and was very arrogant. She once told me “I knew there was something very off with him when he started knocking around with that Hitler boy.” Her mum was friends with Albert Speers mum. Her brother was killed when Germany invaded Italy, he parachuted into a town and was hit by a shell as he came down. My nan maintained to the day she died that she never knew what happened in the death camps.

She said most normal people hated the Nazis, she worked on a farm during the war and when they would come round to tell them what they could kill for themselves and what would be taken they’d go and hide livestock in the hills and just tell the soldiers that would come a wolf killed them or they died of a sickness.
Interesting, I've read a lot of books about WW2, even a lot of the military hated the nazis, the regular german army,...etc Wehrmacht officers like Wilm Hosenfeld, Heinz Drossel, Karl Plagge, Albert Battel....etc the Righteous Among the Nations
 
Interesting, I've read a lot of books about WW2, even a lot of the military hated the nazis, the regular german army,...etc Wehrmacht officers like Wilm Hosenfeld, Heinz Drossel, Karl Plagge, Albert Battel....etc the Righteous Among the Nations

I can imagine a lot of them did not like them but then I suppose it would depend on what they knew was happening at the time. I’ve read a really good book called What we knew, it interviews a cross section of German society ranging from Jewish people that got out before 1939, Jewish people that were trapped and went to concentration camps and a lot of none Jewish Germans. Some said they knew what was happening in both the Jewish and non Jewish populations. I really recommend a podcast called Behind the Bastards, it’s hosted by a guy called Robert Evans and it started as a sort of story about dictators but things about them you wouldn’t know or hear in a history book. As the trump administration and the likes of QAnon and the Proud Boys have emerged he’s shifted a little more to current politics but one of his recent ones is about how every day people voted for the Nazis. It’s a 2 parter called How nice, normal people made the Holocaust happen. His research is top notch, he links a lot of it into what’s happening in America now and the similarities with what happened in Germany.

I think to get back to your point a lot of the Military were dumbfounded by some of Hitlers decisions as he wanted to control a lot of the strategy himself and he wasn’t a strategist. His decision to take on and hold most of Europe while trying to bring down the Russians cost him as he spread himself to thinly.

I remember my nan telling me how she met my grandad, when Germany surrended the next day the Russians turned up at her town and for a week they raped, pillaged and plundered the town extracting revenge for the atrocities the Germans had done to them. After a week one day the British arrived and her town celebrated in the street saying the British had come to save them from the Russians. My grandad saw my nan at a dance a few weeks later, told his friend he’d marry her and a year later he was sent home and my nan came with him and they got married. Funnily enough she said when she came her nobody gave her any trouble for being German and people were lovely to her.

Sorry for the essay of a reply ha
 
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Interesting, I've read a lot of books about WW2, even a lot of the military hated the nazis, the regular german army,...etc Wehrmacht officers like Wilm Hosenfeld, Heinz Drossel, Karl Plagge, Albert Battel....etc the Righteous Among the Nations
It's quite a complicated subject.

There was a lot distrust and scepticism towards the traditional Prussian military leadership, through the OKH and OKW, from the Nazi party and vice versa.

While there were examples of hatred like you state above, there was also a mixture of complicity to fuel their own whims and desires or actual full-blown support.

The pivotal role of the Hither Oath of 1935 can't be understated as an officer's oath was almost tangible: it was a sacred thing that underpinned all their being.

Once they'd swore their oath directly to Hitler, even those who were borderline were in the mainstay compelled to work with Hitler e.g. became complicit.

In terms of the general public, I think you'll find that over time the perception probably shifted too: the success of 1939-1941 probably swelled support for the Nazis.

I suspect it was difficult to not get carried away when he's fulfilling his promises, bringing success (and retribution) and on the face of it rebuilding Germany*.

When things started to go pear shape and the atrocities began to emerge, I again suspect that public support may have easily disappeared.

*Was it sustainable wouldn't have been a question for most people.
 
Dixie Dean was the first football number 9, he played agaist Man city in the cup final.
We were 1 To 11 , City 12 to 22 in a 3-0.
Some say it was the only time he had it on for us but there were three rounds of games played before the second world war uninterrupted and I think numbers were worn in those, so not sure.
Herbert Chapman has tried it out before for Arsenal v Sheff but it was only the home team in numbered shirts it wasnt a FA rule.
Celtic did not play with numbers till 1960 , it wasnt compulsory up there for some years after.
 
In the 60's the American air force set up a simulation war game exercise to practice defending their country against Russian invasion. The RAF sent 8 vulcan bombers to be the russian side. Only one got shot down and the RAF nuked new york.

The Americans said it was a fluke and restarted the war games. It happened again.
Had 1 or 2 extended family members in the royal marines. They'd go off on NATO war games, Brits, US, Norwegians, Germans, Dutch etc
Snow, Mountains, Plains, Costal what ever.
Attack or Defending - 9 times out of 10 whoever had the yanks on their side lost.

Going down the rope from the helicopter.
Brits; sling the rope out and follow it down assuming the pilot has the right height for the length of rope
Yanks; sling the rope out, wait until it hits the ground - then go
Only a seconds difference, but...
 
Had 1 or 2 extended family members in the royal marines. They'd go off on NATO war games, Brits, US, Norwegians, Germans, Dutch etc
Snow, Mountains, Plains, Costal what ever.
Attack or Defending - 9 times out of 10 whoever had the yanks on their side lost.

Going down the rope from the helicopter.
Brits; sling the rope out and follow it down assuming the pilot has the right height for the length of rope
Yanks; sling the rope out, wait until it hits the ground - then go
Only a seconds difference, but...
I love all this. Fascinating stuff
 

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