Holgate Racially Abused By Firmino - The Guardian

[Furey1878]

Surely some sort of statement will be made?

I was hoping like a week or two later it would just have came out as a case of misunderstanding on Holgate’s part.

 

[davek]

41 days.......

 

[jolteon101]

Why hasn't Allardyce called out the FA publically over this? Holgate is being let down by the club.

 

[Dharma]

Why hasn't Allardyce called out the FA publically over this? Holgate is being let down by the club.

Nope, just banished him to the U23s.

 

[Lanolin]

Technically the FA punished John Terry over a similar incident whilst simultaneously an actual criminal court found him not guilty. My point? The FA haven’t a clue what they’re doing. Despite terry being cleared the FA conducted their own investigation and found him guilty of racist abuse. No fan of John Terry but nobody can deny that it’s a bit bizarre for the FA to essentially place their authority higher than that of a criminal court!

All conspiracy theories aside, if there’s something to this Firmino will be punished. The FA won’t let a serious racist allegation come to nothing if there’s evidence for it. Still think it’s strange how we’ve handled this ourselves though. Bong and Evra both made their allegations public forcing the FA to really act. We haven’t done anything and Holgate has basically gone AWOL since this incident.

From a RS viewpoint I do wonder if they would have been far more active in the transfer market if they anticipated a ban for firmino. It could be of course that they’re just keeping a low profile and hoping this will fade away, but if Firmino has said something I’m sure Klopp would have known about it straight away and would have adjusted his plans accordingly.

This is where it all strays into tin foil hat territory for me. He hasn't gone AWOL at all. In the 5 games since it happened he's started 2 of them. In the 5 before it happened he started 3. He's only played in half of our PL games this season as it is, and since it happened we've got Coleman back and signed Mangala. He's been dropped because he's a 21 year old centre half who has only ever actually looked any good in that position for about 4 games, and in the last 3 games that he's played has given away a penalty, been ragged all over the gaff by Rondon for 90 minutes, and been part of a defence that got embarrassed by Spurs. The idea that it's all a big conspiracy is just weird.

 

[Thomasc]

This is where it all strays into tin foil hat territory for me. He hasn't gone AWOL at all. In the 5 games since it happened he's started 2 of them. In the 5 before it happened he started 3. He's only played in half of our PL games this season as it is, and since it happened we've got Coleman back and signed Mangala. He's been dropped because he's a 21 year old centre half who has only ever actually looked any good in that position for about 4 games, and in the last 3 games that he's played has given away a penalty, been ragged all over the gaff by Rondon for 90 minutes, and been part of a defence that got embarrassed by Spurs. The idea that it's all a big conspiracy is just weird.

Just another normal day for those who are obsessed with stuff like this .

 

[rochdaleblue]

Am I the only one thinking, Firmino must have a case to answer the longer this has dragged on. Surely if there was nothing in the allegations, they would have been dismissed fairly quickly.

 

[jtl60]

Despite what anyones opinions, thoughts or conspiracies might be. All of it would be minimised if someone, anyone would communicate something. The lack of news in any of the press, be it local or nationwide, printed, radio or TV , is a bit odd which makes me a bit suspicious that they know something and its not come out. If Holgate is right it doesnt help him nothing being said and if Firminio is innocent, it doesn't help him either

 

[Jebus_lives]

Technically the FA punished John Terry over a similar incident whilst simultaneously an actual criminal court found him not guilty. My point? The FA haven’t a clue what they’re doing. Despite terry being cleared the FA conducted their own investigation and found him guilty of racist abuse. No fan of John Terry but nobody can deny that it’s a bit bizarre for the FA to essentially place their authority higher than that of a criminal court!

All conspiracy theories aside, if there’s something to this Firmino will be punished. The FA won’t let a serious racist allegation come to nothing if there’s evidence for it. Still think it’s strange how we’ve handled this ourselves though. Bong and Evra both made their allegations public forcing the FA to really act. We haven’t done anything and Holgate has basically gone AWOL since this incident.

From a RS viewpoint I do wonder if they would have been far more active in the transfer market if they anticipated a ban for firmino. It could be of course that they’re just keeping a low profile and hoping this will fade away, but if Firmino has said something I’m sure Klopp would have known about it straight away and would have adjusted his plans accordingly.

Different burden of proof. One will be beyond all reasonable doubt and the other balance of probability.

But yes the FA are shambolic.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Different burden of proof. One will be beyond all reasonable doubt and the other balance of probability.

But yes the FA are shambolic.

I should've read on. Everyone has beat me to this.

 

[f.t.r.s]

So if Firminho should have been banned without a hearing does that mean we can go back in the F.A cup as Jay Rodriguez goals deservedly put us out the cup?

Missing the point completely.
What I'm saying is its not fair for one to take so long and the other to be done so quick based on flimsy evidence.
Call me cynical but could it be that one incident was black on white so taken more seriously? And wasn't his incident after they knocked you out? Either way you're actually backing my point up, if players are accused and found guilty then it's not fair on clubs affected directly by them before the ruling

 

[PhilM]

Am I the only one thinking, Firmino must have a case to answer the longer this has dragged on. Surely if there was nothing in the allegations, they would have been dismissed fairly quickly.

While initially I believed the longer the 'investigation' (I use that term loosely), now I'm more inclined in fact to believe the opposite of this.

Perhaps the whole initial furore that emerged from the incident is being conveniently set aside or hushed, for whatever reason, by all parties.

 

[matchworks]

Missing the point completely.
What I'm saying is its not fair for one to take so long and the other to be done so quick based on flimsy evidence.
Call me cynical but could it be that one incident was black on white so taken more seriously? And wasn't his incident after they knocked you out? Either way you're actually backing my point up, if players are accused and found guilty then it's not fair on clubs affected directly by them before the ruling

The f.a cup game took place two weeks after the Rodriguez alleged incident. I think the difference in time scale is due to the fact Kenny's head blocks Firminho's mouth and they are trying to enhance any evidence. If players are accused and found not guilty but had been stopped from playing how would that be dealt with?

 

[Yarrgh]

Have the FA gave up investigating racist incidents for Lent?

 

[SiEdmo]

The f.a cup game took place two weeks after the Rodriguez alleged incident. I think the difference in time scale is due to the fact Kenny's head blocks Firminho's mouth and they are trying to enhance any evidence. If players are accused and found not guilty but had been stopped from playing how would that be dealt with?

it wasn't, Rodriguez incident was 8 days after our game v Liverpool,

we played them on the 5th, WBA Brighton was the 13th