Holgate Racially Abused By Firmino - The Guardian

[EFCPaul]

Suarez admitted saying what he said to Evra when first questioned and then lied later about when and how many times he said it because Liverpool officials panicked and tried to worm their way out of it. That's why he was found guilty and to this day embarrassingly argues that because he said it in Spanish that it was not offensive.

The "it's allowed where I come from argument" is proposterous. Stoning women to death for cheating is socially acceptable in Iran yet you bring that attitude over here and you'll rightly be punished.

This situation is different because whatever was said was said once in the midst of a ruck. It's one person's word against anothers with no way of confidently working out which one is lying. I doubt anything will happen but why it's dragged on this long is nothing short of pathetic from the FA.

 

[neil999]

Any ban will be after they are out of champs league

 

[Stephenlloyd]

I'm afraid I am in agreement. United never backed down with Suarez, they made a deal out of it. They made it so that action had to be taken and the path of righteousness was taken. We should be doing the same for our man.

I said this weeks ago, Utd have a lot of power in the media. And sadly we don’t.

 

[4737carlin]

I said this weeks ago, Utd have a lot of power in the media. And sadly we don’t.

This is what it comes down to, besides our brand dosent make much coin for the FA/Premier League and Liverpools does, money is far more important to them then the Kick it Out campaign.

 

[matchworks]

If Firminho is found guilty he of course should be banned. If he is found innocent no action should be taken against Holgate, especially about tweets he posted as a kid. The F. A have in the past few months messed up over the previous and current England womens manager so it comes as no surprise that the "investigation" is taking so long. Maybe the are allowing both parties to view any evidence they have or are waiting for footage to be enhanced.

 

[matchworks]

I agree that it seems to be dragging on but I'm not sure about all the high horse, tin foil hat stuff.

It's quite possible that Holgate doesn't want this to be splashed all over the papers and has asked that the club tries to keep a lid on things until there's something to say. All we know for sure is that in the heat of the moment he believed he'd been racially abused. We don't know how sure he was afterwards, or what anyone else heard, or even what he thinks was actually said, nevermind whether he's right (before anyone says that he told players it was the N word, so did Evra initially before later accepting that it was the other N word).

I have no idea what happened that night, or what has happened with regard to the investigation or the stance of the 2 clubs. Neither does anyone else though, and I honestly find it a little bit distasteful to see people accusing Firmino of racism, the FA of covering up racism, the media of not being interested in racism, and Everton of not supporting a young victim of racism, when they have absolutely no idea whatsoever whether ANY of those things are true. Yes we all speculate on things in a forum, but matters of this magnitude shouldn't be used as cheap point scoring tools in my opinion.

Very fair and correct post. Some people have used terms I am sure legal experts would say are libellous. To be honest any player or team member found guilty of racist language should face a ban the same as any supporter would i.e stadium ban. If the F.A had any brains they would introduce this a.s.a.p.

 

[4737carlin]

If Firminho is found guilty he of course should be banned. If he is found innocent no action should be taken against Holgate, especially about tweets he posted as a kid. The F. A have in the past few months messed up over the previous and current England womens manager so it comes as no surprise that the "investigation" is taking so long. Maybe the are allowing both parties to view any evidence they have or are waiting for footage to be enhanced.

Yeah pretty much this, there is too much at stake to rush this one, i do still think tho the longer it drags the worse it looks for Firmino

 

[matchworks]

Pardew made a point about supporting Rodriguez after he was charged (different case I know) in terms of how the allegations could affect the rest of his life in terms of reputation and going into business. I was once nearly suspended in work for supposed racism. When I told the boss to sack me on the spot and I would call the alleged victims ( who had made no allegation, but the boss thought he might!!!) brother who I drank and played footy with as a witness he soon changed his tune. The investigation should take as long as is possible for the correct decision to be reached. Not about red or blue but right and wrong.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Any ban will be after they are out of champs league

He’d be out for the season with a ten game ban now. Delay it long enough so that he misses s few dead runners at the end of the season then they can get cover in.

 

[Seathestars]

This is all very paranoid based opinion without any real substance IMO.

If the referee had put it in his report and if anybody had come forward and actually backed up Holgate's claim, then there might be a case to answer. At present though, how is anybody supposed to take this forward without any real evidence?

The consensus seems to be that he insulted him in Portugese and also that his skin colour was not used. He actually called him a "crazy son of a bitch"? or something along those lines.

If there is clear evidence that Holgate was racially abused then it needs dealing with, as of yet though that is still very unclear.

No it’s not at all, read the last paragraph, this case needs an answer one way or the other. What message does it send to other black sportsmen if it appears that the people who run the game either won’t or can’t make a decision in all this time.

 

[bignev23]

I couldn't care much if firminho is punished or not even if he is guilty as it won't be of any benefit to Everton football club and could even help some of our rivals who still have to play Liverpool. I think most people who are desperate for him to be found guilty and punished heavily are hoping so for their own benefit so they can use it against Kopites to stir up hatred in the future and Some of the tin foil hat stuff that's been posted in here would be much better suited to Rawk. Sooner this is done and dusted the better for all although whatever happens now there will be some who just can't let it lie and this will be dragged out by them for years and years and used in tit for tat goading under the pretence they're arsed about racism.

 

[Seathestars]

I couldn't care much if firminho is punished or not even if he is guilty as it won't be of any benefit to Everton football club and could even help some of our rivals who still have to play Liverpool. I think most people who are desperate for him to be found guilty and punished heavily are hoping so for their own benefit so they can use it against Kopites to stir up hatred in the future and Some of the tin foil hat stuff that's been posted in here would be much better suited to Rawk. Sooner this is done and dusted the better for all although whatever happens now there will be some who just can't let it lie and this will be dragged out by them for years and years and used in tit for tat goading under the pretence they're arsed about racism.

Personally I hope he hasn’t used racist language and if his personality on the pitch is anything to go by I’ll be surprised if he has. I’m hoping it was all a misunderstanding and people can move on.
But I put myself in Holgate shoes, I’d be fuming that nothing has been said.
Put yourself in Firmino’s shoes if you’re innocent, I’d want the FA to make it perfectly clear that I was innocent.
I just don’t get the delay, it’s not fair on both players.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I couldn't care much if firminho is punished or not even if he is guilty as it won't be of any benefit to Everton football club and could even help some of our rivals who still have to play Liverpool. I think most people who are desperate for him to be found guilty and punished heavily are hoping so for their own benefit so they can use it against Kopites to stir up hatred in the future and Some of the tin foil hat stuff that's been posted in here would be much better suited to Rawk. Sooner this is done and dusted the better for all although whatever happens now there will be some who just can't let it lie and this will be dragged out by them for years and years and used in tit for tat goading under the pretence they're arsed about racism.

IF he is found guilty then a deterrent will stop future racist behaviour against players. The FA remaining silent is not an acceptable answer. This can’t just be swept under the carpet, either the accusation can not be supported by evidence and is dismissed or it can be and Firmino is charged. Which one is it the FA?

 

[AsiaAsia82]

He was caught holding his nose and wafting his hand in front of it as if to imply that Bong stunk, I've got no idea if he used words making reference to Bong's ethnicity while doing so but the charge alleges that he did.

I do know white people who stink as well, I might send him the names to use in his testimony
Thanks

 

[Toast]

When the RS get Champions League next season on goal difference, and then he gets banned will be interesting.
Also, if a team gets relagated on the back of a defeat at the hands of his goals too.

Absolutely typical of the FA.