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Holgate Racially Abused By Firmino - The Guardian

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Kaiser Soysauce said:
Holgate - bang to rights. Did he not push someone over advertising boards, potentially injuring a player purposely? I'm not condoning alleged racial comments, just playing devils advocate. The whole scenario was in breach of Rules of the Football Association: E CONDUCT-GENERAL BEHAVIOUR 3 (1).
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No, he isn't, because the ref seen it and chose not to card him.
 
Thomasc said:
This is all very paranoid based opinion without any real substance IMO.

If the referee had put it in his report and if anybody had come forward and actually backed up Holgate's claim, then there might be a case to answer. At present though, how is anybody supposed to take this forward without any real evidence?

The consensus seems to be that he insulted him in Portugese and also that his skin colour was not used. He actually called him a "crazy son of a bitch"? or something along those lines.

If there is clear evidence that Holgate was racially abused then it needs dealing with, as of yet though that is still very unclear.
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Even if your take on things in correct then why the delay, why no announcement? In fact if it is this cut and dry why didn't the FA state there was no case to answer weeks ago?
Whatever has gone on, this delay is unusual, they weren't rapid with the Rodriguez case but this has been glacial.
 
davek said:
They dont ask also because the press conferences are stage managed and the club dont want to upset Liverpool. There, I've said it: EFC hiding away from the issue because they wont or cant stand up to that shower and annoy them.
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I'm afraid I am in agreement. United never backed down with Suarez, they made a deal out of it. They made it so that action had to be taken and the path of righteousness was taken. We should be doing the same for our man.
 

Yarrgh said:
I'm afraid I am in agreement. United never backed down with Suarez, they made a deal out of it. They made it so that action had to be taken and the path of righteousness was taken. We should be doing the same for our man.
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Allardyce doesn't want to know, the club dont want to know. Holgate has been left hanging out to dry.

40 days - that surely is setting records over an investigation?
 
davek said:
No, he isn't, because the ref seen it and chose not to card him.
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According to the extract you posted, it was violent conduct regardless of whether the ref chose to card him or not. Pushing someone over a hoarding isn't violent? Of course it is.

vio|lent
[ˈvʌɪəl(ə)nt]
ADJECTIVE
  1. using or involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something:
He certainly used physical force with the intention to hurt him.
 
davek said:
Allardyce doesn't want to know, the club dont want to know. Holgate has been left hanging out to dry.

40 days - that surely is setting records over an investigation?
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Let me play devil's advocate and say that there is still some part of the investigation outstanding, and that it might take some considerable time to analyse and draw a conclusion. Then why not say this? I know better than to put down a deadline that can not be guaranteed, but the absence of anything from the FA, or Everton is abysmal.
 
Kaiser Soysauce said:
According to the extract you posted, it was violent conduct regardless of whether the ref chose to card him or not. Pushing someone over a hoarding isn't violent? Of course it is.

vio|lent
[ˈvʌɪəl(ə)nt]
ADJECTIVE
  1. using or involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something:
He certainly used physical force with the intention to hurt him.
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But the ref witnessed the incident and chose not to act. If he'd not seen it then Holgate retrospectively could have been disciplined.
 

I agree that it seems to be dragging on but I'm not sure about all the high horse, tin foil hat stuff.

It's quite possible that Holgate doesn't want this to be splashed all over the papers and has asked that the club tries to keep a lid on things until there's something to say. All we know for sure is that in the heat of the moment he believed he'd been racially abused. We don't know how sure he was afterwards, or what anyone else heard, or even what he thinks was actually said, nevermind whether he's right (before anyone says that he told players it was the N word, so did Evra initially before later accepting that it was the other N word).

I have no idea what happened that night, or what has happened with regard to the investigation or the stance of the 2 clubs. Neither does anyone else though, and I honestly find it a little bit distasteful to see people accusing Firmino of racism, the FA of covering up racism, the media of not being interested in racism, and Everton of not supporting a young victim of racism, when they have absolutely no idea whatsoever whether ANY of those things are true. Yes we all speculate on things in a forum, but matters of this magnitude shouldn't be used as cheap point scoring tools in my opinion.
 
davek said:
No. His word against Evra's.
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"Evra made his claims immediately after the match and was quoted as telling French TV station Canal Plus: "There are cameras, you can see [Suarez] say a certain word to me at least 10 times."

i do remember seeing this and there was definitely more than one clip of Suarez saying it, so like i said that automatically is proof, as of yet there is no proof against firminho just holgates word, hence why it is taking longer
 
evertonarntwe said:
"Evra made his claims immediately after the match and was quoted as telling French TV station Canal Plus: "There are cameras, you can see [Suarez] say a certain word to me at least 10 times."

i do remember seeing this and there was definitely more than one clip of Suarez saying it, so like i said that automatically is proof, as of yet there is no proof against firminho just holgates word, hence why it is taking longer
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yeah there was footage in the goal mouth and he says something like why did you kick me, and suarez replies numerous times in Spanish "because you are a black", dunno how accurate peoples translation is but still
 

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