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Holgate Racially Abused By Firmino - The Guardian

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Anyone who thinks Holgate shouldn't have been booked? He should have, it's obvious.
It shouldn't even be up for discussion. He was expecting it I'm sure.
His reaction to 'something' wasn't a deflection to avoid a booking but genuine anger and offence.
That is what should be considered.
The reaction from them has a precedent, it is unsurprising, I wouldn't expect anything else, at all.
 
Maltese_Falcon said:
SJWs everywhere these days looking for something to be offended about
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We all say stupid things when we're teenagers. I know I did.

Also, calling Liverpool fans SJWs is a bit much considering they don't care about social justice, they're just mad because one of their players may have said something disgusting to an Everton player.
 
So they’re dragging up homophobic comments from years ago to try and discredit Holgate’s name. He was about 14/15. Has there ever been a 14 or 15 year old lad in the history of humanity that hasn’t said something stupid?

We’re talking about a 26 year old man in Firmino allegedly racially abusing someone here. Disgusting.

Throw the book at him. Racism shouldn’t be acceptable anywhere, but especially not by footballers who have a huge influence on young kids.
 

magicjuan said:
Anyone who thinks Holgate shouldn't have been booked? He should have, it's obvious.
It shouldn't even be up for discussion. He was expecting it I'm sure.
His reaction to 'something' wasn't a deflection to avoid a booking but genuine anger and offence.
That is what should be considered.
The reaction from them has a precedent, it is unsurprising, I wouldn't expect anything else, at all.
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What I was saying. Only logical explanation is that Madley knew he was racially abused and didnt want to book him for that showe
 
magicjuan said:
Anyone who thinks Holgate shouldn't have been booked? He should have, it's obvious.
It shouldn't even be up for discussion. He was expecting it I'm sure.
His reaction to 'something' wasn't a deflection to avoid a booking but genuine anger and offence.
That is what should be considered.
The reaction from them has a precedent, it is unsurprising, I wouldn't expect anything else, at all.
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The ref knew something had happened hence he bottled it and booked nobody
 
Dont know the truth of it to be honest, i think Holgate was lucky to escape a red card amazing that he didnt get a yellow.

However if something racist was said then of course that is separate and abhorrent.

No point jumping to conclusions until allegations are clarified.

It will be interesting to see how this is dealt with i think i am right in saying that this is outside the remit of the PL given its the cup and FA have to deal with it, i hope they do a better job then they did with Eniola Aluko.
 

bluestevon said:
RAWKS take on the matter

Quote from: surfer. [Poor language removed] you generator. on Today at 05:25:21 AM
He shoved Firmino into the crowd, if he got called a [Poor language removed] [Poor language removed] in return [Poor language removed] him.
He shoved a player into the crowd, what the hell. You don't need to see a guy land awkwardly as a result and snap his neck for you to start grasping the consequences of that action. Firmino's got off unhurt, still doesn't take away from the potential consequences of what Holgate did.
If Firmino did something unprovoked there's a discussion to be had but something's seriously off if you can assault a guy to provoke him, and then claim to be the injured party. If you start it, take whatever comes your way you [Poor language removed] coward.
Rabid animals, club needs to stop existing.


There's nothing bigger than your well being. A guy goes for that, unprovoked, anything goes. That's the big issue in a contact sport and you've got pages whining about the word response.
I have no take on what was said, haven't done repeated slo mo views but how exactly do you think a physical confrontation goes? A guy throws a punch at you and your brain stops and scans what response is ok and what is not honourable? Come on now.
You're going to go for the one that can cause most damage. Worst case, if Firmino called him a n****r he'll get fined, banned a few games but it's not something I'll hold against the player. Not when he was just assaulted.


They both look the same colour to me...
After watching the incident I doubt the referee wouldn’t have not heard it. Who knows... hope not though..


The ref was inches away when Holgate took offence at what Firmino said. Other players were very close also. Yet Holgate is the only one who reacts.
If Firmino had said anything bad he would have been dismissed there and then surely.
I think Holgate is a prick who should be retrospectively punished for deliberately pushing Firmino into the stand.
I think he probably misheard Firmino or is too thick to understand what was said to him.


As for the fact the initial incident could easily have lead to Firmino breaking his neck or leg or anything going over the hoardings like that, I think Holgate should get an extreme punishment.
I don't believe Firmino was using racial abuse, I think Holgate just played the race card to get away with the incident.


Oh I'm sure all the Everton players and staff will back Holgate. Disgrace of a club, and disgrace of a player. He could have broke the guys neck in what he did. And the Ref is a bottler not sending him off for it. In fact, If I was us as a club, my question is... What warrants dangerous play? Because that is a red card offence.


If it's a fake accusation for avoiding a sending off, Holgate should get a punishment equal to what Bobby or any other player could get for racism.


You can't just go around throwing the race card and accusations of racism unless you are absolutely sure that he said those words. Very strange that no one in the vicinity even flinched when he allegedly said n***ger. Deplorable to cry racism because foreign words sound racist, literally a week after a young black player discussed his brushes with racism. It belittles the topic when accusations can be thrown in circumstances like last night.



Agree with you 100 % , [Poor language removed] bags pulling stunts like this totally ruin it for the the actual genuine cases.



Yep, I think the ref may have done something had Holgate not complicated the situation. Which is why Holgate needs the book throwing at him.



If it is shown that Firmino did not use the N word as alleged then it is clear that the allegations Holgate made were made to avoid a red for violent conduct. He succeeded in not getting any card.

If I were the FA in such a situation Holgate should be banned for a very long time pay a lot in damages to Firmino for slander and Everton should apologise to Firmino.


This needs locking he never said anything racist and it's clear
Your all absolutely insane to be giving this the legs you're giving it

If Holgate has anything about him hell he'll come out today and say he got wrapped up in tje atmosphere and drop the allegations and make an undeserved apology to Firmino.
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You know what I always wonder, if it turns out he did call him the ‘n’ word - regardless of provocation - how do his own coloured teammates react? Surely Mane etc. wouldn’t be best pleased.

You can talk yourself into a forced transfer with stuff like that.
 
navidson said:
Because this non incident takes away from the fact we should be concentrating on - That Liverpool have beaten us in a football match again

I'm sick of trying to claim the moral high ground - just win
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It’s not trying to claim the morale high ground it’s justice for racist comments.

On one hand if Ladyboy is racist he should be banned for life just like a fan in the crowd would be.

If Holgate was just saying Firmino had used the N word to get him sent off then Holgate should be banned.

Ones cheating and ones racism.
 

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