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2018/19 Idrissa Gueye

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Zatara said:
Sure but Kante is playing in a more advanced role for them as a CM to accomodate the system and Jorginho as the fulcrum.

No idea on Gomes, only ever seen him as a CM.



Its the system + Gomes.

He certainly doesnt look better in another system or alongside another DM.
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I’m kinda forgetting the point you’re even trying to make now mate haha. What’s wrong with our current CM partnership you feel the need to buy another starter CM?
 
CRIMHEAD said:
I love how suddenly some think Gana is playing well. He’s been the same player this whole time. Gomes doesn’t make him look better. He’s just an amazing defensive player and is a criminally underrated passer. He’s fine on the ball, too, if he does down, like another poster said, we are toast.
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I totally disagree. He's been a very basic midfielder for the last year who was only good at one thing, breaking up the play. In the last 2 months, be it Gomes or Silva's coaching, he has found a passing range and is more comfortable with running with the ball. I think this is attributable to the system Silva employs which ensures nobody cowers from the ball and therefore Gana can run with the ball knowing he can find a man. It also helps having Gomes next to him who, like a Barkley or Stones, is pretty happy to receive the ball at any time and will more likely than not retain possession. I'd say he's really improved from about mid September and this is his best form for Everton.
 
Nymzee said:
I’m kinda forgetting the point you’re even trying to make now mate haha. What’s wrong with our current CM partnership you feel the need to buy another starter CM?
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Was just musing that it would be nice to have a deep playmaker as an option to mix things up...
 
Parker NSNO said:
I totally disagree. He's been a very basic midfielder for the last year who was only good at one thing, breaking up the play. In the last 2 months, be it Gomes or Silva's coaching, he has found a passing range and is more comfortable with running with the ball. I think this is attributable to the system Silva employs which ensures nobody cowers from the ball and therefore Gana can run with the ball knowing he can find a man. It also helps having Gomes next to him who, like a Barkley or Stones, is pretty happy to receive the ball at any time and will more likely than not retain possession. I'd say he's really improved from about mid September and this is his best form for Everton.
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I’m not saying the team doesn’t look better, but do you seriously think Gana has found a new passing range at age 29? I’m not sure that’s even physically possible. Statistically there’s no difference. Same number of dribbles, he’s running with the ball less if anything. Same passing accuracy, which has always been high. Not losing the ball often, in line with his career norms. He’s the same player. Silva is a good manager that is playing him as a true DM and while I like Silva, he doesn’t deserve credit for puttin him in the role he’s obviously suited for.
 

Zatara said:
Was just musing that it would be nice to have a deep playmaker as an option to mix things up...
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Having an option is fine, but paying a lot of money for someone to sit on the bench as a tactical option is a bit silly. But can’t argue with the idea. If a decent deal is out there.
 
Parker NSNO said:
I totally disagree. He's been a very basic midfielder for the last year who was only good at one thing, breaking up the play. In the last 2 months, be it Gomes or Silva's coaching, he has found a passing range and is more comfortable with running with the ball. I think this is attributable to the system Silva employs which ensures nobody cowers from the ball and therefore Gana can run with the ball knowing he can find a man. It also helps having Gomes next to him who, like a Barkley or Stones, is pretty happy to receive the ball at any time and will more likely than not retain possession. I'd say he's really improved from about mid September and this is his best form for Everton.
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I’m not an Everton fan that overrates Gana, he’s a good player and very good at what he does, but has limitations. Even on Sunday he gave the ball away cheaply a few times under no pressure.

An Everton fan put something on Twitter, about tackling midfielders in the prem this season and Gana was top. Of the 15 players listed not one was from the top 6. All mid table, bottom half teams.

That tells you the top 6 dominate possession. And I’f we want to get amongst the top 6 that’s what we have to do. While we did well Sunday, the bottom line is we had 31% possession and 1 shot on target. We are going to have to get very lucky to win a game at the top 6 with 31% possession.

You only have to look at Gomes and Bernard, both are still adjusting to the league and still aren’t match sharp, but they are very comfortable in possession, even in tight areas and under pressure. But we do still have 3/4 players who aren’t. And will panic at times. I include Gana in this, as well as Coleman and Walcott.

Silva long term will want all 11 players to be technically great. And we can go to the top 6 have more possession and obviously a better chance of getting results.

I know I will get stick for this, criticising some of Everton’s favourite sons. But it’s all about opinions and that’s mine.
 

Stephenlloyd said:
I’m not an Everton fan that overrates Gana, he’s a good player and very good at what he does, but has limitations. Even on Sunday he gave the ball away cheaply a few times under no pressure.

An Everton fan put something on Twitter, about tackling midfielders in the prem this season and Gana was top. Of the 15 players listed not one was from the top 6. All mid table, bottom half teams.

That tells you the top 6 dominate possession. And I’f we want to get amongst the top 6 that’s what we have to do. While we did well Sunday, the bottom line is we had 31% possession and 1 shot on target. We are going to have to get very lucky to win a game at the top 6 with 31% possession.

You only have to look at Gomes and Bernard, both are still adjusting to the league and still aren’t match sharp, but they are very comfortable in possession, even in tight areas and under pressure. But we do still have 3/4 players who aren’t. And will panic at times. I include Gana in this, as well as Coleman and Walcott.

Silva long term will want all 11 players to be technically great. And we can go to the top 6 have more possession and obviously a better chance of getting results.

I know I will get stick for this, criticising some of Everton’s favourite sons. But it’s all about opinions and that’s mine.
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Not sure I entirely agree with your stance on possession as I think making good decisions with the ball and generating scoring chances are more important than possession, but that’s more philosophical. It’s why Liverpool is never going to lead the PL in possession under Klopp.

Regardless, I agree that taking care of the ball is important, but Gana is rarely dispossessed of the ball and his passing rate is excellent. I’m not seeing how he is uncomfortable in possession and the stats back that up. But regardless, is it not equally as important when we are NOT in possession of the ball to get it back? If that’s the case, then Gana is far and away the key to us winning any game of possession. So I see that very differently.
 
CRIMHEAD said:
Not sure I entirely agree with your stance on possession as I think making good decisions with the ball and generating scoring chances are more important than possession, but that’s more philosophical. It’s why Liverpool is never going to lead the PL in possession under Klopp.

Regardless, I agree that taking care of the ball is important, but Gana is rarely dispossessed of the ball and his passing rate is excellent. I’m not seeing how he is uncomfortable in possession and the stats back that up. But regardless, is it not equally as important when we are NOT in possession of the ball to get it back? If that’s the case, then Gana is far and away the key to us winning any game of possession. So I see that very differently.
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I don’t think he’s as good on the ball as you, as for uncomfortable, I mean panicking in possession. Like at Bournemouth when we came under pressure in the last 10mins st 2-1. A few times he just kicked the ball straight back to them on the edge of our box. And another time he miss kicked all together when to ball cane acrros our box, I’m not just blaming him for Bournemouth getting a draw. But it’s in this situation you have to keep the balm and take the sting out of the game.

And of course it’s important to win the ball back, but the longer you keep it the less you need to do this.

Liverpool had 53% possession at Chelsea last month.
 
I actually think he's still poor on the ball. Thought a lot of our football going forward against Chelsea broke down because of him misplacing passes left right & centre.

He just needs to look up and get it to Gomes - nothing more.
 

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