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2018/19 Idrissa Gueye

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EFC78 said:
Have you seen Davies in possession? Because him repeatedly giving the ball away is one of the reasons why he's not pushed on.

He's young, so not writing him off, but he's not improved to the level he should have and he was given loads of opportunities to concentrate on improving his passing and didn't take them. Won't be replacing Gana in this side.
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Davies and Gomes should be given a run.

And I'm pretty sure silva will replace Gueye in the summer with someone more physically strong.
 
CRIMHEAD said:
It's a long thread, it's all in there. First of all, his passing rate is always high. Second of all, he doesn't pass backwards very often. Third of all, he doesn't turn it over. It's all made up silliness.

When he doesn't play, you'd have to be a complete dunce not to see how much worse we are, but even THAT isn't enough for some.
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Congratulations you’ve just won worst post of 2018.
There is blinkered and then there’s you.

Anyone who says Gana’s
passing stats are good, rarely passes backwards and doesn’t turn over, has never watched the guy play. All I can think of is you must be related.
 
Stephenlloyd said:
Congratulations you’ve just won worst post of 2018.
There is blinkered and then there’s you.

Anyone who says Gana’s
passing stats are good, rarely passes backwards and doesn’t turn over, has never watched the guy play. All I can think of is you must be related.
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Gana:

Games 15:
Pass completion: 85%
Passes forward: 249

Kante:

Games: 17
Pass completion: 88%
Passes forward: 210

Assume you aren't impressed with Kante's passing either since he's played 2 more games yet has less passes forward?
 
We miss him when he doesn't play. Simple.

I'm all for Davies getting a run, but that doesn't mean Gana is a bad player.

Says a lot that when he can't play, our entire system has to change.
 

EFC78 said:
Gana:

Games 15:
Pass completion: 85%
Passes forward: 249

Kante:

Games: 17
Pass completion: 88%
Passes forward: 210

Assume you aren't impressed with Kante's passing either since he's played 2 more games yet has less passes forward?
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Them stats don’t really tell me much, passing 5 yards to someone just in front of you is a forward pass. Everyone can gets stats that suit their own agenda.

I believe you can get key passes and created chances stats. Maybe you could post them ones.

Also Kante playing further forward this season, much easier to play a forward pass when you are a deeper player. I would imagine a number of CB’s at the top of a forward pass/ pass completion list
 
Stephenlloyd said:
Them stats don’t really tell me much, passing 5 yards to someone just in front of you is a forward pass. Everyone can gets stats that suit their own agenda.

I believe you can get key passes and created chances stats. Maybe you could post them ones.

Also Kante playing further forward this season, much easier to play a forward pass when you are a deeper player. I would imagine a number of CB’s at the top of a forward pass/ pass completion list
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Christ

He literally disproved your argument so you've just changed it.

Lad, Gana passes forward. Accept it.

It doesn't mean it's not frustrating when he misplaces a pass, or that he's a 'good passer'. But just accept that you're wrong instead of changing your argument.
 
BlueToff said:
Christ

He literally disproved your argument so you've just changed it.

Lad, Gana passes forward. Accept it.

It doesn't mean it's not frustrating when he misplaces a pass, or that he's a 'good passer'. But just accept that you're wrong instead of changing your argument.
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First of all it’s called football common sense mate/lad which you and a few other seems to lack. What argument am I changing?
I’ve said fir 2 yrs he’s a poor passer of the ball. Now if you really think I’m counting square and passes back then you’re a f*** wit.

Go and watch a conference game this weekend and you will see plenty of players passing it 5 yards to a team mate.

My point is when he’s playing the ball forward, when he’s not giving it away he’s picking the wrong pass or putting a player in trouble.

Maybe the person who put them stats up could put last seasons up, when they played in the same position. I would bet my house Kante comes out on top on the majority of defensive and offensive stats v gana. It’s not really about Kante it about Gana not being good enough for us moving forward.

Also I had a few heated arguments 3/4 years ago with you, regarding McCarthy, who you were trying to tell what a great box to box midfielder he was. And how we couldn’t do with out him. So your type of posts are what I’ve come to expect.
 

EFC78 said:
Gana:

Games 15:
Pass completion: 85%
Passes forward: 249

Kante:

Games: 17
Pass completion: 88%
Passes forward: 210

Assume you aren't impressed with Kante's passing either since he's played 2 more games yet has less passes forward?
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Not all forward passes are the same.

Kantes passing is better than Ganas. There literally isn't even a debate to be had.
 
Steve0 said:
Not all forward passes are the same.

Kantes passing is better than Ganas. There literally isn't even a debate to be had.
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I haven't ever claimed that Kante's passing isn't better than Gana's. And as mentioned several times on here by various posters, stats don't tell the full picture. But my positing the comparison was in response to @Stephenlloyd making out like Gana passes backwards loads, when the facts show that he passes it forward more than Kante. I chose Kante who is one of the best in the league in that position along with Fernandinho.

Stephen reckons that Kante has played further forward this season so fair enough. But in 16/17 Kante played 2 extra games than Gana, and only played 10 more passes forward, which goes to show that Gana isn't as negative as he's making out.
 
There's three players in the squad that when they have the ball you kinda half expect them to stupidly give it away.

Pickford anytime he's doing one of those volleys he loves, look great when it comes off, but the amount if times it simply gives the ball back to the opponent, for a team which is trying to become a possession team it's criminal.

Coleman, anytime he has the ball in his hands for a throw in, you know they'll have the ball back in about two seconds, anytime he crossed it you know it's going straight to them

Gueye, you half expect anytime he's on the ball with more than a second to think about what he's doing that he's gonna end up playing some god awful pass straight to one of them - leading straight to us being outnumbered on the counter. Others give the ball away as well, but good God when he does it, then it invariably leads to us being in major trouble.

Don't care if the stats show he's got a great pass completion % or plays loads of forward passes, the eye test shows that 2-3 a game he will put us under massive pressure and kill any momentum at best.
 
Stephenlloyd said:
First of all it’s called football common sense mate/lad which you and a few other seems to lack. What argument am I changing?
I’ve said fir 2 yrs he’s a poor passer of the ball. Now if you really think I’m counting square and passes back then you’re a f*** wit.

Go and watch a conference game this weekend and you will see plenty of players passing it 5 yards to a team mate.

My point is when he’s playing the ball forward, when he’s not giving it away he’s picking the wrong pass or putting a player in trouble.

Maybe the person who put them stats up could put last seasons up, when they played in the same position. I would bet my house Kante comes out on top on the majority of defensive and offensive stats v gana. It’s not really about Kante it about Gana not being good enough for us moving forward.

Also I had a few heated arguments 3/4 years ago with you, regarding McCarthy, who you were trying to tell what a great box to box midfielder he was. And how we couldn’t do with out him. So your type of posts are what I’ve come to expect.
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I don't lack 'football common sense'. I watch enough of it friggin' hell. Don't claim to be an expert but when you write seven or eight match reports every week you get a feel for things.

I don't think you're wrong in saying he's a 'poor passer'. I agree entirely that is not the strongest part of his game. But if you're asking Gana to be the playmaker then you take away everything he's good at (which the stats prove he is currently the best in the league at, btw).

And no, you act like every pass he plays is wrong. That is categorically incorrect, and the stats back this up. Your response is just 'stats mean what you want them to mean'. Well sideways and back passes don't count as forward passes, and bare in mind I work with Opta day in day out.

I'm not saying we couldn't do without Gana. I think we can, in certain games. In other games, we need him. We missed him on Saturday, hugely.

Also, here are the defensive stats you requested between Gana and Kante for last season.

Gana/Kante (bold is the one who is 'the best')

Clean sheets
6/12

Goals conceded
42/32

Blocks
9/4

Interceptions
62/85

Tackles
117/113

Tackles won
93/77

Last man tackles
0/1

Clearances
42/26

Headed clearances
13/10

Aerial battles won
33/17

Own goals
0/0

Errors leading to goal
0/0

Penalties conceded
0/0
 

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