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2018/19 Idrissa Gueye

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EFCPaul said:
As long as he can pass a ball I think he very much will be.

I like Gueye but he's overrated by so many, same as McCarthy. It's a massive blind spot for Evertonians and has been for years. We find players who run around relentlessly tackling people as endearing even if they can't do F all else.
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A counter argument to that is that a lot of our fans have a blind spot when it comes to players that aren't technically great but do the hard work well. Gana is one of the best in the league at winning the ball back, and bringing energy to the team.

He is let down massively by his team mates who can't use their own strengths well enough which is one of the reasons why we are mid table. I don't think anyone would pretend that he doesn't need to sort his passing out, as the last month it seems to have got worse, and to an unacceptable level at times but he brings so much in other ways.

Those who lay in to Gana for his passing ability need to start hounding Richarlison, Sigurdsson and Bernard for their tackling ability and how much they get stuck in. Gana is in the team to win the ball back and play it to the better players for them to produce something in attack. Far too often he does that and they don't do anything useful with it, and other times they hide on the pitch meaning Gana then tries to advance forward and a lot of the time his weaknesses then show.
 
Neiziro said:
He'll be good for PSG as he can just be left to do what he's good at in midfield before simply laying it off to their world class stars to do something. He is a little bit exposed in this team and system as he needs to contribute more to make up for the lesser quality we have in other areas of the pitch. Regardless though I do think we should sell him and getting a replacement in with the qualities we're missing in midfield will make us a better team.

Anything above 20m is good business imho.
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Mate, not being funny - i like Gueye, but he struggles to play a 10yd pass to the left to Gomes.
 
Kever10 said:
I don't get this at all. We lost to Man City and Spurs when he didn't play, so it means we missed him badly and he's important in these big games, but he played Newcastle, Watford, Brighton and Leicester, and we got 2 points from the lot. Oh, that's because he's not as suited playing against these teams, they say. With their substandard midfielder players with less ability on the ball, they show up areas of Ganas game that Silva, Fernandinio, Sterling, Son, Ali and Ericksson would surely struggle against.

It's insane.

He is good at covering ground, and he makes lots of interceptions and tackles. Those stats can't be argued against. As I've said before though, the amount of ground he covers actually shows how poor his positional sense is, and for every time he makes a successful challenge, there's an equal number of times players walk through the middle, unchallenged, and the amount of fouls he concedes in dangerous areas is a liability.

And it seems the passing thing, which I've gone on about for best part of 2 years, even his strongest supporters have given up on that, but he is atrocious in this area.

The biggest compliment I can pay him, is even with his deficiencies as a player, we got him for an absolute bargain at £7m, especially when we sold Cleverley for more. If we can sell him for £45m, it would be an absolute masterstroke. And as far as not being able to replace him, the last game he didn't play, we won 5-1. I'm sure we will be fine.
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You've said all that as if it proves something wrong when in actual fact it makes perfect sense. The argument is that a player like Gana is important when we're not able to compete man for man or dominate the ball. It doesn't have to be him, but if we were to sell him and not replace him it would be a huge problem for us.
 

Lanolin said:
You've said all that as if it proves something wrong when in actual fact it makes perfect sense. The argument is that a player like Gana is important when we're not able to compete man for man or dominate the ball. It doesn't have to be him, but if we were to sell him and not replace him it would be a huge problem for us.
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Well let's say you're right, and if he had played those games we would've won (LOL). We play 38 games per season. 12 of those games are against top sides. The other 26 are against the rest. I know if rather have a player to make a difference in those games, because frankly, our record against "the rest" this season, hasn't been good enough, and Gueye is seemingly central to that, as he's "not suited" in those games.
 
Kever10 said:
I don't get this at all. We lost to Man City and Spurs when he didn't play, so it means we missed him badly and he's important in these big games. But he played Newcastle, Watford, Brighton and Leicester, and we got 2 points from the lot.

Oh, that's because he's not as suited playing against these teams, they say. With their substandard midfield players with less ability on the ball, they show up areas of Ganas game that Silva, Fernandinio, Sterling, Son, Ali and Ericksson would surely struggle against.

It's insane.

He is good at covering ground, and he makes lots of interceptions and tackles. Those stats can't be argued against. As I've said before though, the amount of ground he covers actually shows how poor his positional sense is, and for every time he makes a successful challenge, there's an equal number of times players walk through the middle, unchallenged, and the amount of fouls he concedes in dangerous areas is a liability.

And it seems the passing thing, which I've gone on about for best part of 2 years, even his strongest supporters have given up on that now. He is atrocious in this area.

The biggest compliment I can pay him, is even with his deficiencies as a player, we got him for an absolute bargain at £7m, especially when we sold Cleverley for more. If we can sell him for £45m, it would be an absolute masterstroke. And as far as not being able to replace him, the last game he didn't play, we won 5-1. I'm sure we will be fine.
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I don't think he isn't suited to playing against those sides. Gana's just a key part of the side. His passing can be extremely frustrating, but that's why we have - on paper - three other players at least in midfield to get on the ball and do the passing. Not leave it to Gana to try and be playmaker in chief.

He's an excellent player. An excellent defensive midfielder. He'd be a huge loss halfway through the season. Especially as the other players in back up are utter tosh/injured.
 

BlueToff said:
I don't think he isn't suited to playing against those sides. Gana's just a key part of the side. His passing can be extremely frustrating, but that's why we have - on paper - three other players at least in midfield to get on the ball and do the passing. Not leave it to Gana to try and be playmaker in chief.

He's an excellent player. An excellent defensive midfielder. He'd be a huge loss halfway through the season. Especially as the other players in back up are utter tosh/injured.
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Just like when Tommy Graveson went to Real

Madness to sell one of our better players ........ unless Brands has a cunning plan more cunning than a fox
 
Lanolin said:
I've not seen the figures but just from watching the game on Saturday i'd say he must have made about 100 successful passes. For some reason people have got a lot more hung up on the 10 or so unsuccessful ones.
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It seems to have become the latest Evertonian bandwagon dig that he can't play any sort of successful pass.

As I did mention in a previous post, it's got an unacceptable level at times this last month, but he has also made many successful passes and has driven forward on occasions successfully but the critics just wipe it from memory and focus on the negatives.

It's a shame that Gomes' form dipped so much after the Derby because him and Gana when playing well compliment each other very well and I imagine Silva had expected the partnership to flourish far more than it has. But when the others have been so poor around them and players like Keane, Zouma, Mina, Pickford have been gifting the opposition goals it's meant that our fans need to vent their frustration and Gana's passing seems to have been pounced on with a very narrow minded view on it.
 
Kever10 said:
Well let's say you're right, and if he had played those games we would've won (LOL). We play 38 games per season. 12 of those games are against top sides. The other 26 are against the rest. I know if rather have a player to make a difference in those games, because frankly, our record against "the rest" this season, hasn't been good enough, and Gueye is seemingly central to that, as he's "not suited" in those games.
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Or - this is crazy but bear with me - we could try to bring in somebody who combines some of his skillset with a little bit more quality on the ball. All i'm trying to say is those advocating just letting him go because of what he can't do, and not taking any notice of what he can do, are being very naïve indeed.

I've said numerous times i'd like a better all round player in there, but people making out like we wouldn't miss his energy, work rate and ability to actually win the ball back (not just break up play like many defensive players but actually take it off someone and gain possession) are way off in my opinion.
 

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