Idrissa Gueye

[Thomasc]

Midfield Niasse. Swerve.

Yep, god forbid we should trust Koeman or Walsh.....let's hope you can put them straight on the rest of the transfers before they make any more mistakes.

 

[PhilM]

Such a simplistic viewpoint.

People simply see Villa and automatically assume that all of their players were dross because of how the season eventually panned out.

I'd also say look at Jordan Ayew: I'm sure a few clubs will be sniffing around him this summer as he was the diamond in the rough.

Should they simply stay away because he played for a dire villa? Oh and we signed Tom Cleverely and he must be great as he played for Manure.

 

[Nil Satis Niasse Optimum]

People simply see Villa and automatically assume that all of their players were dross because of how the season eventually panned out.

Should they simply stay away because he played for a dire villa? Oh and we signed Tom Cleverely and he must be great as he played for Manure.

It's different when the Villa player played virtually every week, whereas Cleverley was barely used for United. Completely different kettle of fish.

 

[TrixyStevens]

Them tackles/interceptions though...

It's all relative.

His sole purpose is to disrupt the other team's momentum, so if we are trying to close out a game he'd be decent enough to come off the bench and do so.
If it's a case of we can't get Carvalho or Witsel so Gueye is the next option then it's a massive step down in quality IMO.

 

[OneTrueLegend]

Based on the stats he could be better than Barry and McCarthy

http://www.[Publication is blacklis...beat-everton-duo-in-seven-areas-last-season/?

 

[PhilM]

It's different when the Villa player played virtually every week, whereas Cleverley was barely used for United. Completely different kettle of fish.

The point is that people automatically make assumptions based on where a player is coming from; in that degree it's pretty much the same.

Anyway, Cleverely played a year at Villa before us (when they were poor but not that awful) and we still signed him so we're even more the fool.

 

[bluestevon]

Some staggering opinions in this thread bordering on snobbery because we have this magic "100M" to spend.

If Koeman and/or Walsh want Gueye then shoudnt that be good enough for us? At least for now whilst we give them a chance to show what they can do.

As for this he must be rubbish because he got relegated stuff, that is ridiculous. Off the top of my head Roy Keane, Fabrizio Ravanelli, Les Ferdinand and Juninho were all relegated. Are these all rubbish players who we would not have had at Everton in their day?

Such a simplistic viewpoint.

Add jagielka and lescott to that

 

[GerryandthePaceMerchants]

When you weigh up what the RS paid for that inferior barcodes player it's a fantastic piece of business.

 

[evertonarntwe]

actually think he's a decent player and for absolute buttons, and if it means getting rid of the clev sign the feller up

 

[catcherintherye]

I don't know where this stuff comes from, as far as I'm aware that was never the case . I think perhaps mixing up us bidding on Vertout, before he went to Villa. Kante's stats were the best in Europe when we went for him. That said, I'm sure he would have been scouted by us. We're heavy into analytics / stats, so who his stats would have stood out.

We tended to buy people who were specialists in their areas, but who perhaps didn't have the all round game some others might have. Kante was the tackler, Albrighton was signed purely on the back of his crossing stats and work rate, Vardy pace and work rate. If you look round the team, each player has flaws in their game... but most of them excel at a certain aspect.

I think this is a very astute post mate so thanks for it. The art of finding out what you require from a player and finding those that do it best is a unique skill in football. It's funny as when you watched Leicester last season that's what it looked like, a group of lads being asked to do jobs they were familiar with ands comfortable at. The Centre Halves wellied balls away. Drinkwater covered every blade of grass. Vardy ran channels, Albrighton worked the right hand side, Oziaki ran himself into the ground etc.

Without being harsh on Gueye Villa were the opposite of this. Badly managed and run teams often are. Not only that but if the quality in front of him was limited then a player like Gueye or Kante would not stand out. You would probably even here shouts of "doesn't score enough goals, not creative enough" etc etc, Their job is to tackle and pass the ball to better players but if the players they pass to aren't playing well they will be shown up.

As it happens this signing looks like the Walsh affect. I imagine he probably scouted the lad, as he played in the same league as Kante, was signed the same summer as him and is a very similar player. Likewise he also has a lot of similarities to the replacement you have bought. I am not saying he is as good as either but he's in that mould. People wondered what Walsh would bring to us and I imagine there will be a lot of signings/players akin to this lad. Unpolished potential gems. I think the links with him and Arnautovic smack me of Walsh, finding out release clauses and making astute signings.

I don't know if he will be a success but I am willing to forgive his time at Villa as he was pretty well rated at Lille. I suspect Barry will be out the door and McCarthy may well follow him. We could look to bring in 2 or 3 cm players to fill the gap. What I like about this lad is as the fella says above he seems to have a clear defined role of what he is good at. I think that would be a useful addition at a reasonable price.

 

[flibbyflob]

No idea if he is any good but the fee is good when you look at some of them this summer. Will get behind the guy if we do get him in.

 

[Azza]

Couldn't care less about him going, lazy player who always looks like a yellow card waiting to happen when things don't go his way on the pitch

Not bothered about losing him per se

Bang average, with no discernible feature other than apparently descent stats which frankly never transposed to meaningful or effective performances.

It's no big loss, would have been nice to have recouped what we paid but meh.

I saw an article that referred to him as influential.

funny.

^ I think they mis-spelt ineffective

Couldn't care less if Gana leaves, he's the epitome of why stats don't win you matches. ..

I won't be at all sad to see him go. I've always found it slightly baffling when people say he had a good season. Sure, he can tackle well but it's worth nothing if you give the ball away constantly. I didn't like his attitude and despised his shooting.

 

[The Cowboy]

With Steve Walsh on board, I'm prepared to give every new signing a chance, regardless of their provenance.

 

[Nymzee]

How can you play over 1,500 successful passes and have 85% pass success rate but constantly give the ball away? Something isn't quite adding up.

 

[The Cowboy]

Given the appalling support that the Villa fans proffered last season, I'm hardly surprised they're not showering him with praise. They hate on all their players.