If Silva is sacked - who could/should we get?

[roydo]

I've been quite underwhelmed with Potter. The guy at Sheffield United has done well. However if you were going down that route Dyche would surely be a better choice?

He would be lower risk, no doubt.

 

[Papa Shango]

Watford are doing well let's go after their Manager!

I would like that just for the pure levels of fumage coming from all sides.

 

[deipnosophist]

There has to be a happy medium between those two right? A manager who will have us trying to win every game whilst also keeping us properly organised? He/She is out there, I'm sure of it

...we might get someone who's transgender...?

 

[davids]

But like you say, that's a minimum. Allardyce was happy to give us the minimum because he didn't care what we thought about him and he knew he'd be on his way regardless. How long will we accept the minimum for from a new manager though? I'm not defending Silva but if you'd asked in the summer the majority of people would have said yes they would accept being 9th at this stage of the season, the reality is they won't though, hence the current sentiment.

The problem is our current form will see us far lower than 9th.And my point really was that even Allardyce offered more than Silva.Honest question,in today's football do any managers really care what the fans think? Or do they just pocket the money and switch off.

 

[RichardP]

Yeah, let’s make a totally irrelevant comparison with one of the greatest mangers this country has ever produced and what he did 35 years ago, to a good player that played for us for a few years and is currently a no2. I like Arteta, and he MAY go on to be a good manager, but to bring comparisons into it with Howard is a bit silly.
I reckon translators have a good record at becoming a Manager, Portuguese ones even more so, let’s go and get a Portuguese translator and give him the managers job. Turned out alright last time it happened.

Not making a comparison about their abilities because, as you rather directly pointed out, Arteta hasn't had a No.1 position yet. But, as regards age and previous experience, (prior to actually and possibly being appointed as manager of EFC) there is not a lot to choose between the two. Does that mean Arteta would be successful? No, of course not. But Silva looks like he is running out of time and ideas and if a change is coming, who would you want that is realistically going to be interested in us, plays the right way and would be popular with the fans?

Or are you happy to give Silva more time and see if he can turn things around?

 

[Lelouch]

I was gonna say Cocu because of the Brands link but I've just been reading about his Fenerbahce managerial career and it sounds pretty bad.

 

[Lanolin]

The problem is our current form will see us far lower than 9th.And my point really was that even Allardyce offered more than Silva.Honest question,in today's football do any managers really care what the fans think? Or do they just pocket the money and switch off.

I think we're moving away from the original point though. You were saying that the job wasn't a poisoned chalice for Allardyce and I was saying that's because he knew he was only here for a short time so it couldn't be really, even he'd necked the chalice full of poisoned gravy he would have survived because all he had to do was keep things ticking over for 6 months. A new manager coming in would be met with much higher expectations.

Yes our current form would see us lower than 9th but the point is we are 9th and people have been talking - seriously - about sacking the manager for about a month already. You don't get time here at the moment, and yes, that means managers care what the fans think of them. If the atmosphere in the ground turns moody and then you get people staying away, you're done here. Journalists write stories based on fan interest, if our fans were seemingly content with Silva they'd be leaving him alone, the stories about him being under pressure are coming out because journalists know there's unrest in the fanbase and they feed us stories which reflect that.

 

[TheBrace]

Not making a comparison about their abilities because, as you rather directly pointed out, Arteta hasn't had a No.1 position yet. But, as regards age and previous experience, there is not a lot to choose between the two. Does that mean Arteta would be successful? No, of course not. But Silva looks like he is running out of time and ideas and if a change is coming, who would you want that is realistically going to be interested in us, plays the right way and would be popular with the fans?

Or are you happy to give Silva more time and see if he can turn things around?

Think we need to give him until the end of the season to see if he can put things right. I’ll admit, I’m not too hopeful he can but I don’t want us to be looking for a new manager every time we go on a bad run. He needs to be given time to see if he can correct this mess, it’s possible because up until December things were looking good. It’s just that your comparison between Howard and Arteta is somewhat clutching at a straw. Howard was a one off, one of THE best. Absolutely no comparison to be had apart from them both being quite young. Arteta is only 36 now by the way. So there goes that comparison.

 

[RichardP]

The issue is here, for so long we’ve had this mentality of employing so called up and coming managers. Instead of actually going out and employing a winner, a manager who has won something like a Mancini, Ancelotti, Mourinho, we have so far bired Koeman off the back of a good season at Southampton, Allardyce to apparently keep us up, and now Silva off the back of getting Hull relegated and being sacked by Watford.

To me, this just isn’t good enough from the top down. We all know nowadays you don’t get 3 seasons never mind 5-10 so all of this it’s a long term plan to me is astonishing. We are going backwards as a club and as a business. How are going to build this big new stadium if we aren’t in the Premier League and if we can’t attract a good manager, yet alone good players.

Sigurdsson, Richarlison, Mina, Keane, Walcott they all need a good kicking and if they’re not up for the fight, the fight is every single game, then [Poor language removed] them off. I would much rather we play youth team players who show some passion than these 150k a week players who aren’t bothered we went out of the cup at home to Southampton on pens or that we lost to Millwall. Where’s the passion and the fight?!

To me Silva is not and has never been the right man for the job. This is Everton, not Hull nor Watford respectively. We have been here since the start, we are a proper club. We just aren’t being managed by a proper manager. All the money we have spent no doubt paying off contracts would of been better spent going out and making a crazy off to a world class winning manager, but Everton being Everton so it the hard way. I personally think some people talking about Arteta and Eddie Howe etc are just insane. It’s the same loser mentality. One of these guys is a bloody assistant manager for God’s sake. Let’s get real. We need an experienced winner, dare i say it even Wenger would come in and do better than the previous 3 managers, I have no doubt in that what so ever.

I just want us to start shouting that we are Everton from every rooftop available. Hopefully that world class winning manager will hear us and come calling. If not we might as well offer another up and coming Manager a chance, then it will happen again and again and again.

I agree with much of what you wrote but the only manager I can think of that ticks all your requirements is Simeone. And I don't see him being interested.

 

[davids]

I think we're moving away from the original point though. You were saying that the job wasn't a poisoned chalice for Allardyce and I was saying that's because he knew he was only here for a short time so it couldn't be really, even he'd necked the chalice full of poisoned gravy he would have survived because all he had to do was keep things ticking over for 6 months. A new manager coming in would be met with much higher expectations.

Yes our current form would see us lower than 9th but the point is we are 9th and people have been talking - seriously - about sacking the manager for about a month already. You don't get time here at the moment, and yes, that means managers care what the fans think of them. If the atmosphere in the ground turns moody and then you get people staying away, you're done here. Journalists write stories based on fan interest, if our fans were seemingly content with Silva they'd be leaving him alone, the stories about him being under pressure are coming out because journalists know there's unrest in the fanbase and they feed us stories which reflect that.

I know he isn't the most reliable source,but Allardyce seemed to be under the impression he'd be here this season,hence his bitterness.All roads seem to lead to Moshiri.

 

[RichardP]

Think we need to give him until the end of the season to see if he can put things right. I’ll admit, I’m not too hopeful he can but I don’t want us to be looking for a new manager every time we go on a bad run. He needs to be given time to see if he can correct this mess, it’s possible because up until December things were looking good. It’s just that your comparison between Howard and Arteta is somewhat clutching at a straw. Howard was a one off, one of THE best. Absolutely no comparison to be had apart from them both being quite young. Arteta is only 36 now by the way. So there goes that comparison.

Not really. Kendall was still just 37 when we won the FA Cup in '84 and he had been with us 3 seasons by then.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

...we might get someone who's transgender...?

We could get a female manager mate. Never know

Heck, I'd be fine with it if she was a good manager, although the media circus that would surely surround it would be interesting

 

[deipnosophist]

We could get a female manager mate. Never know

Heck, I'd be fine with it if she was a good manager, although the media circus that would surely surround it would be interesting

Blue Bill might give the job to our present CEO...nothing that this club does would surprise me!!

 

[Tipp blue]

We could get a female manager mate. Never know

Heck, I'd be fine with it if she was a good manager, although the media circus that would surely surround it would be interesting

Another Everton first, Hire a female manager, followed 7 months later with another Everton first, fire a female manager.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

He would be lower risk, no doubt.

Dyche just seems a poor man’s Moyes, whereas the fella in Sheffield has done a tremendous job. Thing is, he is a Blades fan, so why would he ditch them now?