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[uknightbreed]

imo everyone concerned in this case is an arsehole.

copper or not - it gives them no right to be as vicious as they were when they clearly already had him outnumbered and restrained. ott .

soldier or not - he clearly is nothing more than a big mouth drunk who was on the streets late at night and thought it was ok to mouth off at coppers (he did).

not a decent role model within the whole bunch of them as far as im concerned.

 

[toffeestillidie]

Sure he wasn't involved in any incident with paramedics before hand? Sure I read something to do with it.

If thats the case, imagine your girlfriend/son/daughter desperately needing life saving treatment and some moron is preventing as such. I am sure then you would like to see him executed? Nevermind a smack.

Its hard to comment upon really as I highly doubt it was an isolated incident. Its obvious something went on before hand.

Oh - and clearly (watch the video), the victim bit the police officer on the leg prior his face "repeatedly slammed his face into the road" - It was pushed to the floor, twice. Would have been once if he kept his face down. A technique told to be used to police to avoid being bit.

You know what that bite means dont you? A tetanus - meaning one less officer out on duty who could end up helping the likes of yourself, partner, son, daughter etc

Another angle. The "victim" was preventing a casualty from receiving treatment. He was warned away but continued, in a drunken disorderly state. Realising the man posed a threat to say, the innocent people out and out such as your partner/close friend etc, they tried to arrest him - he resisted arrest, biting an officer. Now I am not condoning the violence dished out on him but I am not going to be sympathetic without knowing the full story.

At the end of the day, we just dont know the full story.

I see mindless idiots in town every other week. Wasn't that long ago a stabbing victim by lime street was lying nearly dead, upon being treated some tosser started throwing bottles of ale towards the paramedics. How I wish someone would have filled him in.

thank you. none of us were there, theres no way we can judge it. people who judge it are likely weighing what they see against their personal experiences. slight_return, you haven't by any chance had a poor encounter with a cop or have seen a cop abuse anyone have you?

i have been the subject of a minor media spectacle (nothing like this, dig through my old posts if you wanna read more about it), but i saw the same stuff. people who aren't there and know nothing about the full story feel the need to reserve judgment.

slight_return, how would you feel after saying these 3 cops should be executed if you found out later that there was more to the story, you've just said that you would be comfortable with 3 fellow human beings dying, having never met them, and based only on information you've received through the filter of the media. i know first hand that the media never include many important details, they synthesize complex stories into soundbites and headlines, don't trust everything you read online.

having been through this kind of crap, and having experienced reading awful things about myself on the washington post and cnn website from viewers who had never even met me, i get particularly angry about people reacting like this. none of us were there, worry about your own life and don't be so quick to judge.

 

[chicoazul]

The fella shouldnt have been a cocky tit. Bottom line; he got it.

Police 1 - 0 Ignorant [Poor language removed]

 

[parkendmaster]

imo everyone concerned in this case is an arsehole.

copper or not - it gives them no right to be as vicious as they were when they clearly already had him outnumbered and restrained. ott .

soldier or not - he clearly is nothing more than a big mouth drunk who was on the streets late at night and thought it was ok to mouth off at coppers (he did).

not a decent role model within the whole bunch of them as far as im concerned.

Agreed

 

[Slight_Return]

thank you. none of us were there, theres no way we can judge it. people who judge it are likely weighing what they see against their personal experiences. slight_return, you haven't by any chance had a poor encounter with a cop or have seen a cop abuse anyone have you?

i have been the subject of a minor media spectacle (nothing like this, dig through my old posts if you wanna read more about it), but i saw the same stuff. people who aren't there and know nothing about the full story feel the need to reserve judgment.

slight_return, how would you feel after saying these 3 cops should be executed if you found out later that there was more to the story, you've just said that you would be comfortable with 3 fellow human beings dying, having never met them, and based only on information you've received through the filter of the media. i know first hand that the media never include many important details, they synthesize complex stories into soundbites and headlines, don't trust everything you read online. they can be three fellow human beings to you if you want them so closely associated with you, but please, don't put words in my mouth, the three cowards clearly seen doling out a beating to a defenseless member of society are cowards, thugs, and pigs of the worst order. not human in my eyes!

as for 'read online' I cant be sure what you were reading, but I watched the video where three holier than thou pig-dogs set upon a defenseless individual, and beat his face into the road. then had the audacity to to dream up lies about him attacking them when he CLEARLY DID NOT!

having been through this kind of crap, and having experienced reading awful things about myself on the washington post and cnn website from viewers who had never even met me, i get particularly angry about people reacting like this. none of us were there, worry about your own life and don't be so quick to judge. how quick were the cop scum to judge the defenseless individual? how quick were the coward police hypocrites to dole out some justice of their own? how quick were they to perjure themselves and the police force they represent in court when they lied to cover up their hooligan behaviour? -------- worry about my own life? yeah I am, because next time its me or someone I care about getting their head smashed into the road for committing no crime and then getting a serious criminal record at the say so of the hooligans that are guilty of numerous crimes.

Why you find it so easy to gloss over the crimes of these individuals is what I find very worrying indeed. Either the law applies to everybody, or it applies to nobody. Any mid-ground is NAZI GERMANY! And I don't fancy goose stepping to the beat of that drum.

 

[Rob]

Thats the thing, he did nothing at all, the three pigs singled him out and battered him. then lied about it in court. at no point did any of them put their hands up and admit to repeatedly punching a defenceless individual with the help of two other cowards.

He didnt do anything wrong. That is why the three pigs hiding behind the immunity of the uniform should be executed, that is why their families should be thrown out onto the streets, and that is why someone should laugh and spit in the faces of their widows.

And this is why you should be banned.

Get off the board tosser.

 

[Vim Fuego]

So much anger and angst in this thread.

Very entertaining.

 

[harry]

he was resisting arrest thats why the copper was hitting the back of his shoulder to loosen the mucle, they wasn,t hard punches as you can clearly see. to keep someone on the floor you put your weight in their head this is a normal restraining tecnique. As for the police rushing him, he was drunk and abusive that makes him unpredictable, what if he had a weapon?

 

[gordonjblair]

he was resisting arrest thats why the copper was hitting the back of his shoulder to loosen the mucle, they wasn,t hard punches as you can clearly see. to keep someone on the floor you put your weight in their head this is a normal restraining tecnique. As for the police rushing him, he was drunk and abusive that makes him unpredictable, what if he had a weapon?

Harry, have you done any C+R Training? You 'take control' of the head (where it leads, the body follows), but there's no requirement to mash it into the floor, or rub it along the tarmac.

It transpires that in his p*ssed up state he took objection to being accused of interfereing with paramedics (later accepted as mistaken identity), but didn't really deserve what he got. As of the biting, well they had his hands behind his back, he was belly down and saw a shoeing coming, can't fault his resourcefulness.

I thought him having to pay them compensation was salt in the wounds a bit, but that's since been returned.

It's probably for the best that the Special in question is removed from a position of responsibility (not his first offence), but removing the three of them from the face of the Planet is perhaps a little extreme Suits ...

but it's nice to see you and Rob_Japan still get on so well

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Harry, have you done any C+R Training? You 'take control' of the head (where it leads, the body follows), but there's no requirement to mash it into the floor, or rub it along the tarmac.

Gordon I have several friends within the police.

You wouldn't believe how many times they get bit.

You can clearly see he bites the officer first. Afterwards his head is pushed to the pavement (which the police are told to do...), he continues to restrain lifting his head up - to which he promptly gets his head put back down. Wouldn't you? I wouldn't want anyone biting me....

One bite = one tetanus shot = one officer off duty for the evening.

Not to mention the chance of AIDS.

 

[gordonjblair]

Gordon I have several friends within the police.

You wouldn't believe how many times they get bit.

You can clearly see he bites the officer first. Afterwards his head is pushed to the pavement (which the police are told to do...), he continues to restrain lifting his head up - to which he promptly gets his head put back down. Wouldn't you? I wouldn't want anyone biting me....

One bite = one tetanus shot = one officer off duty for the evening

2 Close family members with plod, 2 others as screws (both C+R Instructors).

You should never push the head away from you towards the ground, because you then only have partial to no control over it... if the subject then decides to do themselves some damage by thrashing against the deck, or has an induced fit, you aren't in a position to see that they come to no further harm. Nevermind the 20 Stone numpty giving him armfuls when he thought no one was looking.

There'd have been no excuse if the bloke had been worrying paramedics, nevermind the fact that he was just a pissed up passer by - war hero or not (although by the criteria used, I'm expecting a statue put up any day now)

 

[GrandOldTeam]

2 Close family members with plod, 2 others as screws (both C+R Instructors).

You should never push the head away from you towards the ground, because you then only have partial to no control over it... if the subject then decides to do themselves some damage by thrashing against the deck, or has an induced fit, you aren't in a position to see that they come to no further harm. Nevermind the 20 Stone numpty giving him armfuls when he thought no one was looking.

There'd have been no excuse if the bloke had been worrying paramedics, nevermind the fact that he was just a pissed up passer by - war hero or not (although by the criteria used, I'm expecting a statue put up any day now)

Simply not true. If an offender tries to bite an officer during an arrest, they are told to push the head to the ground. Firmly (to prevent the as you call, "thrashing about" in the first place". Officer safety is described as paramount.

Think logically - if your trying to arrest someone and they are trying to bite you, what else can you do? Bearing in mind the first objective if they are refraining is to have them on the floor face down?

An AIDS Bite and a Conviction - New York Times

At the end of the day, he was acting like a prick. End of story really. They tried to arrest him, (described as in packs , what was the three officers meant to do? send one to arrest him to make it even?) he refrained, biting one officer and continued to try and do so and you could argue he got a bit of a smack for it but to avoid catching some disease most people would do the same. Hardly deserves an outcry and he certainly doesn't deserve a victim tag.

 

[harry]

Gordon, C&r isnt really what im interested in as i am not in the police or security business but yes i have trained it, this is where we differ as i wouldn't be to conserned with him hurting himself and would have my full weight on his head. as for rubbing his head in the termac in my eyes he got of lightly concidering he tried to bite.

 

[gordonjblair]

look at again:

12 seconds in gets his first bounce on the deck from the officer on the right
14 seconds in, the fat get starts whispering sweet nothings in his ear
17 seconds, his first attempt at a bite.

Regardless of who he was, or what he'd done, they were out of order.

Danny, seriously, you wouldn't be advised to shove someone's head into the deck... the further it is away from you, the less control you have of the subject, I'm guessing we'll have to agree to disagree, but I know what I've been taught, and what my arl fella used to teach.

As for the AIDS bite, that just goes to show how whopping the US legal system can be (no offence guys ), there is a tiny theoretical chance of transmission, and an incidence has never been recorded, if you read through the article, one other case resulted in acquittal, a third resulted in assault with a deadly weapon due to the general nature of human bites... to be honest the AIDS aspect is a bit of a red herring, but very Daily Mail... he wasn't an asylum seeker too was he? or involved in the plot to kill Diana?

I'm puzzled as to the reaction here, because it has since been accepted by GMP that the bloke hadn't actually done much wrong prior to being taken to the floor...

 

[Nebbiolo]

Regardless of who he was, or what he'd done, they were out of order.

I'm puzzled, Gordon. You've just stated in another thread that there are circumstances in which vigilantism is permissible. Which is it? Or are you saying that the police are not allowed to do what private citizens are?