International managers, what nationality should they be

[monty]

The code of international football allows nations to field players born within that nations boundaries, be related to immediate family living in those boundaries or who qualify as citizens of that nation. Everyone agrees to this with the odd exception few squabbles start.

Why is it therefore right for a nation to be able to appoint an individual alien to its shores to manage them. When Sven took over here he brought some of his own backroom staff with him. The same happened in Scotland as has happened in Nigeria with the idiot Vogts.

If a team represents its nation then surely the same rule should apply to the management and backroom staff as they all are Representative of that nation in the modern game. In history it didn't matter too much as managers and players were far more parochial than today.

I am aware that the manager doesn't kick a ball on the park but he does dictate tactics, select the team etc hence based on the original international ethic surely the same selection rules should apply.

Incidentally although I have reservations about Capello's inability to speak english it is a man of his nature that we need to sort the prima-donas out, but can't we find an Englishman?

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Well Monty, who and will he take on the job???

 

[monty]

Well Monty, who and will he take on the job???

That is not really the issue Robert, the very fact we have few English managers at the top of the game is the sports fault, few ever get the chance these days. Our failings doesn't make the managerial nationality position right and I do believe the manager should be from the nation he represents

 

[Robert Jarvis]

It actually reflects on the number of foreign managers in the prem.

 

[Namdrater]

I dont know, South Africa would remain [Poor language removed] at football forever

 

[monty]

I dont know, South Africa would remain [Poor language removed] at football forever

It is somewhat different for emerging nations. FIFA should ensure that managers, like players, are properly trained for the job. I see nothing wrong with a South African manager and a foreign adviser, as long as the national had the final say

 

[monty]

It actually reflects on the number of foreign managers in the prem.

It does, I hoped that would come up because it is the same reason, dilution if you like, we no longer produce the quantity of players we once did. I was careful to chose the description quantity because we do have quality, the selection procedure could well be flawed leaving players in years gone by who could have broken through to become lost to the game, late developers they used to be called. Some kids are hardly off the breast before they are signed by clubs and thats the last you hear of them.

The vacuum at managerial level is there for all to see although it is up to the clubs to appoint from within rather than abroad, including Scotland

 

[CanadaToffee]

I dont know, South Africa would remain [Poor language removed] at football forever

I was thinking the same about Canada - then realized we have a Canadian manager anyway. Doomed!

 

[GhostOfDixie]

The code of international football allows nations to field players born within that nations boundaries, be related to immediate family living in those boundaries or who qualify as citizens of that nation. Everyone agrees to this with the odd exception few squabbles start.

Why is it therefore right for a nation to be able to appoint an individual alien to its shores to manage them. When Sven took over here he brought some of his own backroom staff with him. The same happened in Scotland as has happened in Nigeria with the idiot Vogts.

If a team represents its nation then surely the same rule should apply to the management and backroom staff as they all are Representative of that nation in the modern game. In history it didn't matter too much as managers and players were far more parochial than today.

I am aware that the manager doesn't kick a ball on the park but he does dictate tactics, select the team etc hence based on the original international ethic surely the same selection rules should apply.

Incidentally although I have reservations about Capello's inability to speak english it is a man of his nature that we need to sort the prima-donas out, but can't we find an Englishman?

Monty mate, the simple answer to your question is NO. We don't have Englishman who can do the job. Nobody has been successful. Wasn't HK the last successful English manager. Or was Royle that last English manager to win a trophy?

The complicated answer is still NO, but to get there we have to accept that no stock has been put in English managers, more money and less stress lie in punditry these days. Who would want to be ridiculed in front of their own people? With exception to McClaren, the others have seen their grand reputation destroyed.

Hoddle, Taylor, Keegan and Venables have all had great reps, but now they are not really employable in a true sense. (El Tel was a PR stunt, but the others are never going to get a top job anymore)

But now, our opinion on whether or not an Englishman should be in charge of the country is like an Englishman being in charge of our Government. Last two PM's have been Scottish. The leading lights in football management are Scottish.

Our workforce is made up largely of Poles. This is EU law, so by going into Europe we have already waived our sovereignty and 100's of years of great Brits have been taken away. That's just the way it is. So now we need to make the best of a bad situation, and this guy is as qualified as they come. Makes me laugh that we have gone from Sven (top honours) to McClaren ([Poor language removed] all to shout about) to Capello (top honours).

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I don't think it's neccessary to get into EU employment law and immigration etc. but the national team should have an English coach. The players have to be English, so should the coach.

Clubs on the other hand should be able to employ whomever they wish.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

I don't think it's neccessary to get into EU employment law and immigration etc. but the national team should have an English coach. The players have to be English, so should the coach.

Clubs on the other hand should be able to employ whomever they wish.

I think its exactly that reason why we have foreign coach's. Its because of EU Employment law.

Never had any foreign coaches in the 70's or 80's did we?

 

[SuitsBlue]

when was ossie ardiles coach/manager?

 

[GhostOfDixie]

when was ossie ardiles coach/manager?

Early 90's I feel.

 

[SuitsBlue]

swindon 89 - 91
then newcastle 91 -92
then west brom 92 - 93
then spurs - sacked at spurs in 94.

he is the only one i can think of.

heres an angle, when did british players first start signing up with foreign agents?

 

[GhostOfDixie]

swindon 89 - 91
then newcastle 91 -92
then west brom 92 - 93
then spurs - sacked at spurs in 94.

he is the only one i can think of.

heres an angle, when did british players first start signing up with foreign agents?

Never knew they did.

But I think we can't complain about foreign managers running the team because its the way of the world.

Should we get our curries imported via Madras? take a long time, and I'm not prepared to wait that long for my Chicken Chat on Puree.