Fair enough. Anyway, I wanted a single piece of evidence, and you’ve had yours with the brain one.
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Fair enough. Anyway, I wanted a single piece of evidence, and you’ve had yours with the brain one.
Rita_Poon
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It was the non doctors making decisions in the autopsy that allowed the brain loss to occur
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Nice. This has prompted more of a discussion than I'd imagined.
Just speaking for myself, for many, many years I was on the side of a conspiracy, but the more you look into it properly and peel away the layers of 'but, but what about and but this" and you actually look closely at the persona and psychology of Oswald and the actual EVIDENCE before you (not the Brother of someone who Kennedy fired was the 'chief of something') then every single piece of objective evidence available says that Oswald did the shooting and while there may have been many Agencies who may have wanted Kennedy removed, none of them were involved.
The only thing you can say about 'Government and CIA involvement' is that the security detail was extremely poor. That someone could point a rifle out of a window on the Presidential parade route and members of the public actually see it and nothing was done about it is negligence to the extreme. But negligence is all that it was.
Kennedy himself actually requested a lax security detail because he didn't want to be see as the kind of President who was a Dictator of a 'Banana Republic'.
As for the removal/disappearance of the Brain, then, just possibly the Kennedy family itself might have been responsible for that.
JFK is a brilliant film, but it's about 5% accurate historically.
I'd still love to be proved wrong, but I'm convinced beyond all doubt that Oswald did it and he was the lobe shooter on the day.
The only thing that still bugs me about the whole thing is the involvement of Ruby. But, he was a volatile nutter.
Just speaking for myself, for many, many years I was on the side of a conspiracy, but the more you look into it properly and peel away the layers of 'but, but what about and but this" and you actually look closely at the persona and psychology of Oswald and the actual EVIDENCE before you (not the Brother of someone who Kennedy fired was the 'chief of something') then every single piece of objective evidence available says that Oswald did the shooting and while there may have been many Agencies who may have wanted Kennedy removed, none of them were involved.
The only thing you can say about 'Government and CIA involvement' is that the security detail was extremely poor. That someone could point a rifle out of a window on the Presidential parade route and members of the public actually see it and nothing was done about it is negligence to the extreme. But negligence is all that it was.
Kennedy himself actually requested a lax security detail because he didn't want to be see as the kind of President who was a Dictator of a 'Banana Republic'.
As for the removal/disappearance of the Brain, then, just possibly the Kennedy family itself might have been responsible for that.
JFK is a brilliant film, but it's about 5% accurate historically.
I'd still love to be proved wrong, but I'm convinced beyond all doubt that Oswald did it and he was the lobe shooter on the day.
The only thing that still bugs me about the whole thing is the involvement of Ruby. But, he was a volatile nutter.
Rita_Poon
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frontal?
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I thought it was universally accepted that the kill shot was a stray CIA bullet from an accidental discharge after the first Oswald shot.
I think the agent generally accepted as firing it died fairly recently.
The hospital were refused the autopsy and JFK was promptly moved elsewhere for that.
I wonder how different the western world would be, if that day had not occurred.
Pretty sure that’s not universally accepted!
With any major event like this, the truth can be quickly obfuscated by bad actors and people acting in self interest.
The assasination of JFK and indeed 9/11 can show gaps in intelligence and security services. People within these services often work to 'cover their own arses' after events like this. You also have opportunists who look to use major world events to "bury bad news", so coined by Jo Moore in that infamous memo to Downing Street in the wake of 9/11
Stuff like this adds fuel to conspiracy theories and you end up with a fog surrounding the true details.
Makes for good movies and documentaries though!
The assasination of JFK and indeed 9/11 can show gaps in intelligence and security services. People within these services often work to 'cover their own arses' after events like this. You also have opportunists who look to use major world events to "bury bad news", so coined by Jo Moore in that infamous memo to Downing Street in the wake of 9/11
A good day to bury bad news?
With all eyes on the Budget <b>Channel 4 News Online</b> watches out for stories that might otherwise slip under the radar.
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Stuff like this adds fuel to conspiracy theories and you end up with a fog surrounding the true details.
Makes for good movies and documentaries though!
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That's a theory from a book called 'Mortal Error' by Bonar Menninger and whilst it's a decent theory it's not only NOT universally accepted it doesn't fit with any objective evidence at all, either witness, ballistic or acoustic.
That theory was based on the Zapruder film being tampered with.
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There were no frontal shots or frontal wounds.
Rita_Poon
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You sure it wasn't Roberto Carlos shooting?
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If you're looking for no frontal attack or shots, it's got to be Oumar Niasse, unless Kennedy was shot one day in Hull.
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Reckon that's why his locker disappeared?
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My other universally accepted theory is that you are really Oddball.
Hiding in plain sight. Love it.
The most depressing “alternative theory”, is that Oswald was just a bad shot.
Oswald’s wife consistently maintained that Connally was the true target, and there was something I read about an Oswald kill list found which had Connolly at the top, as well as Edwin Walker, who Oswald had attempted to assassinate 6 months prior.
One of the most consequential world events in modern history, caused as an accident by incompetence.
Oswald’s wife consistently maintained that Connally was the true target, and there was something I read about an Oswald kill list found which had Connolly at the top, as well as Edwin Walker, who Oswald had attempted to assassinate 6 months prior.
One of the most consequential world events in modern history, caused as an accident by incompetence.
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