billyblue80
Player Valuation: £70m
Solid signing gives us some stability back there, also we could potentially make money on Mina and use it elsewhere
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I very much think this as well.
I'll judge Tarkowski on his own merits and sincerely hope he turns out to be a success.
But we are generally too dependent on this profile of signing and it many ways, it was the obvious one for this position. It might turn out well or not so well, but sooner or later, I'm looking for evidence of a far broader scope in player scouting because we'll need that to improve and progress.
We can really only judge the summer when the window closes. But in general terms I want to see us sign younger players, both domestically and globally that we don't initially have to overpay for and won't demand big wages. We must get back to a model where we can get 5-10 years service from some signings and/or sell them on for a big profit if they outgrow us. We must entice the best of young talent to come to the PL and not look so much for players to make sideways or downwards moves to us (as far as their career trajectory goes). I'm not necessarily putting Tarkowski into either of those categories but its a safe move for him supposedly on a pretty decent contract, both in years and wages.
I get the need to stabilise with safe, known-quantity type signings, particularly when they are available on a supposed "free" transfer. But we can equally stabilise and do better with a profile of player that I'd put in the young and hungry bracket. Predominantly that means joining from the EFL or from Europe, and the pull of the PL for the best young players in Europe, wherever they come from, is still great. We have to be looking to get the best of those players in and get first mover advantage by doing it early.
I want the big clubs to be sniffing around our players, it would be a sign of progress in itself. As it is, we can't even give certain players away. That has to change.
Godfrey Branthwaite Patterson Mykolenko have also all arrived during the Moshiri era so is it short termism or is it balancing the squad a bit?
My main point is to wait and see how a player performs for us before judging them as we’ve bought loads of players all of different profiles, age, quality, price, and there’s been no common denominator that predicts good performance.
Wanted him for Chelsea as well, so he's obviously rated incredibly highly by Frank and his team
God, this really cuts me to the core. I remember pre Kenwright when very few Evertonians thought like this. Are we no longer a big club?? Are we a penknife to the Liverpool, City, United or even Spurs GUN?? If so well done agent Kenwright you have won.I very much think this as well.
I'll judge Tarkowski on his own merits and sincerely hope he turns out to be a success.
But we are generally too dependent on this profile of signing and it many ways, it was the obvious one for this position. It might turn out well or not so well, but sooner or later, I'm looking for evidence of a far broader scope in player scouting because we'll need that to improve and progress.
We can really only judge the summer when the window closes. But in general terms I want to see us sign younger players, both domestically and globally that we don't initially have to overpay for and won't demand big wages. We must get back to a model where we can get 5-10 years service from some signings and/or sell them on for a big profit if they outgrow us. We must entice the best of young talent to come to the PL and not look so much for players to make sideways or downwards moves to us (as far as their career trajectory goes). I'm not necessarily putting Tarkowski into either of those categories but its a safe move for him supposedly on a pretty decent contract, both in years and wages.
I get the need to stabilise with safe, known-quantity type signings, particularly when they are available on a supposed "free" transfer. But we can equally stabilise and do better with a profile of player that I'd put in the young and hungry bracket. Predominantly that means joining from the EFL or from Europe, and the pull of the PL for the best young players in Europe, wherever they come from, is still great. We have to be looking to get the best of those players in and get first mover advantage by doing it early.
I want the big clubs to be sniffing around our players, it would be a sign of progress in itself. As it is, we can't even give certain players away. That has to change.
Yes, I understand that. But this isn't another one of those scenarios. Richarlison is a real talent with real value that cant be ripped off Everton for what a buyer deems is acceptable to them.What we need really doesn’t factor into it, though, Dave. Every year we see posters (mainly @ForeverBlue92 ) stamping their feet and demanding we don’t sell a player for less than X.
If his suitor(s) don’t want to pay £80m+ then we either haggle a fee we can still put to good use or we put our foot down. If we put our foot down we have to keep our fingers crossed that Richy won’t down tools, and that the effect of keeping him on the team’s performance offsets the massive chunk we’d be taking out of his value by letting his contract run down to the final year.
We, along with all bar about 2 clubs in world football, are a selling club. If it transpires the most we can get out of a buyer is going to be £60m then I’d say take it.
Edit: Just realised we’re in the Tarkowski thread.
Looks like we’re signing Tarkowski, though, Dave!
33 is not old for a centre back, especially one who doesn't rely on pace.Happy but hope it’s not 4 year deal
He’s still got to pass the notorious Everton medical yet.
Creep past the skeletal remains of Mikael Forsell, jump on the stones that spell out the name of Leroy Fer’s horse and then choose the grail that Sean Davis didn’t.
33 is not old for a centre back, especially one who doesn't rely on pace.
That's not it at all. Look how much the elite clubs bring in from player trading, Chelsea would be one of the best examples.God, this really cuts me to the core. I remember pre Kenwright when very few Evertonians thought like this. Are we no longer a big club?? Are we a penknife to the Liverpool, City, United or even Spurs GUN?? If so well done agent Kenwright you have won.
Define “big club” mate.God, this really cuts me to the core. I remember pre Kenwright when very few Evertonians thought like this. Are we no longer a big club?? Are we a penknife to the Liverpool, City, United or even Spurs GUN?? If so well done agent Kenwright you have won.
I think given that he's cost Everton £50M and he's now a Brazil mainstay and moving into the best years of his career we should really be looking to get no less than £85M-£90M.
Richard Gough was about 40 when he played for us wasn't he.