2022/23 James Tarkowski

[Nymzee]

And at RB

So

 

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[wandyr79]

I am really confused about all this stats nonsense; think I will keep to my trusted (but not perfect) eyes and maybe glance at some stats if and when they are posted on here.

Tarkowski has been the bargain of the season, superb attitude and the lack of panic when we concede a corner/attacking free kick is more than likely down to a few people, but in theory the 2 most important people are those centre backs controlling that area.

 

[Mashtray]

Sky sports did a bit on who should go to the WC and highlighted Tarkz as an outside chance, he also has the most minutes in the league amongst English CBs.

The ranks showed here is against all PL defenders, English and foreign.

 

[PhilM]

I am really confused about all this stats nonsense; think I will keep to my trusted (but not perfect) eyes and maybe glance at some stats if and when they are posted on here.

Tarkowski has been the bargain of the season, superb attitude and the lack of panic when we concede a corner/attacking free kick is more than likely down to a few people, but in theory the 2 most important people are those centre backs controlling that area.

There's no need to be confused. Stats are useful to an extent, but I'm a firm advocate of intertwining it with what you see with your own eyes.

For me, Tarkowski is a Rolls-Royce of a player. When you consider what we needed and what he offers for the price we paid, it's a phenomenal signing.

 

[wandyr79]

There's no need to be confused. Stats are useful to an extent, but I'm a firm advocate of intertwining it with what you see with your own eyes.

For me, Tarkowski is a Rolls-Royce of a player. When you consider what we needed and what he offers for the price we paid, it's a phenomenal signing.

I am not confused by the stats themselves, as you said they can be intertwined with personal opinion on what you see, that is how I use them, if I do see the stats. Some on here though bang on about them as if they are the only way to judge a player and then suddenly say that some can't be trusted, that is the source of my confusion

He really is, to then go and get a player on loan (with an apparent small future transfer fee) who works so well with him is just solid scouting/decision making, or lucky.

 

[Zatara]

Hes brilliant.

 

[Zatara]

"Number 1 Michael Keane hater till he leaves"? Is that Zat? It isn't me, but then again I'm only #2 around here.

Anyone rating Michael Keane….

That first half season though I thought Zouma had been told to play sweeper or something. I’d never seen a centre back 5 yards deeper than the rest of his defensive line, following runners across the box, the absolute shambles at every set piece. It was like he went to centre back school for beginners during the Christmas holidays and came back knowing how to play the position.

Keane probably asks Tarkowski to hold his hand when he crosses the road.

 

[PhilM]

I am not confused by the stats themselves, as you said they can be intertwined with personal opinion on what you see, that is how I use them, if I do see the stats. Some on here though bang on about them as if they are the only way to judge a player and then suddenly say that some can't be trusted, that is the source of my confusion

He really is, to then go and get a player on loan (with an apparent small future transfer fee) who works so well with him is just solid scouting/decision making, or lucky.

"Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable." The thing is, statics alone don't add context, and it's easy to select one aspect and hammer those.

Equally, it's even easier to ignore others. Tarkowski and Coady are both central defenders, but their game is different - they bring different things to the team.

Tarkowski duals, slides in and gets everywhere. If you measured Coady alone versus him on those statistics alone, it'd be easy to go, "He's not very good!"

But from my own eyes and ears, I've seen how good Coady's positioning is; I've seen him organised the defence, motivate the players and help cover.

The effectiveness of the two of them each interacting with one another, and as a defence as a whole, is different or greater than their individual abilities et al.

Some people on here use statistics as gospel rather than linking it with everything else, which to me is naive. If you've played the game, you understand.

I played football last night, and there was a gentleman in his fifties: he only scored once; he didn't cover the most yards; he probably didn't make many tackles.

But everyone there could tell he was the best player on the pitch: he read the game amazingly; he was in the right place at the right time; he didn't need to tackle.

His passes were simple but sublime, and he made their team tick. I see similar things with Coady in the sense that some stats won't do him justice.

 

[Blue Heart]

J T & C C bid you stop!

 

[bcblue1878]

Keep telling yourself that.

Anyway I'll be wrong on Tarkowski when he's awesome on a team that actually plays football more than once in twelve games. I'd never have said anything if I knew we were going to play like Burnley!

If only!

 

[allen]

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J T & C C bid you stop!

Is that Maupay in one of the boats?

 

[MikeH72]

Stats don't matter for defenders. Said it for a long time. You can be a good defender without a ton of activity and the stats guys haven't figured out how to show that yet.

As I said unless you're prepared to argue Tarkowski is good and Coady is bad you can't really do this can you?

What??? You’ve been trying to tell us that Zouma and Keane were a better partnership than Tarkowski and Coady based on stats?!?

 

[Glasshalffull]

I am really confused about all this stats nonsense; think I will keep to my trusted (but not perfect) eyes and maybe glance at some stats if and when they are posted on here.

Tarkowski has been the bargain of the season, superb attitude and the lack of panic when we concede a corner/attacking free kick is more than likely down to a few people, but in theory the 2 most important people are those centre backs controlling that area.

Remember Disraeli - Lies, damned lies, and statistics.