January 2018 transfer window thread.

[PeregrineT]

Should write to him about this because it’s beyond a joke he’s done this before.

This “project” is all about spin and we have some very good spin doctors.

Might want to check that list again as its a lie, and notice it omitted Siggurdson, counted Barkley twice, among other issues. Elstone's numbers actually add up, amazingly enough.

 

[maccavennie]

You’re a wizard Neil.

I just don't know why they can't give @neil999 the job of head scout because this fella knows what he's talking about.

 

[roydo]

2. Siggurdson? 45 million. Mighty convenient to leave that name off the list as its the biggest transfer. Revised figure at 313 million bought.

Hes on the list though.

 

[Frang]

Might want to check that list again as its a lie, and notice it omitted Siggurdson, counted Barkley twice, among other issues. Elstone's numbers actually add up, amazingly enough.

what list have you been looking at ??

 

[devogue]

Id take Suarez tbh and Paco as a back up striker. Rest are crap or old.

 

[ijjysmith]

Id take Suarez tbh and Paco as a back up striker. Rest are crap or old.

Please retract one name from your list of crap.

 

[Nymzee]

Denis Suarez is a big yes.

 

[Frang]

Please retract one name from your list of crap.

not like gerri to be binned off after xmas!!

must be 3 or 4 years in a row.

well in gerri lad.

 

[devogue]

Please retract one name from your list of crap.

Geri is the most overrated player of Everton's recent history.

 

[Woolly Blue]

Players in

PLAYER FROM FEE DATE
Henry Onyekuru KAS Eupen £7,000,000 30 Jun, 2017
Sandro Ramirez Malaga £5,200,000 03 Jul, 2017
Michael Keane Burnley £25,000,000 04 Jul, 2017
Josh Bowler QPR £1,500,000 07 Jul, 2017
Wayne Rooney Man Utd Free 09 Jul, 2017
Cuco Martina Southampton Free 17 Jul, 2017
Gylfi Sigurdsson Swansea £45,000,000 16 Aug, 2017
Nikola Vlasic Hajduk Split £10,000,000 31 Aug, 2017
Dennis Adeniran Fulham Undisc. 31 Aug, 2017
Dominic Calvert-Lewin Sheff Utd 1.5m 01 Jul, 2016
Maarten Stekelenburg Fulham Undisc. 01 Jul, 2016
Idrissa Gueye Aston Villa 7m 02 Aug, 2016
Ashley Williams Swansea 10m 10 Aug, 2016
Yannick Bolasie C Palace £20,000,000 15 Aug, 2016
Shayne Lavery Glenavon Unknown 01 Jan, 2017
Ademola Lookman Charlton £10,000,000 05 Jan, 2017
Morgan Schneiderlin Man Utd £20,000,000 12 Jan, 2017
Davy Klaassen Ajax £23,600,000 15 Jun, 2017
Jordan Pickford Sunderland £25,000,000 15 Jun, 2017
Tosun 19.8m

Total incomings under Moshiri of 230.6.1m


Players out

PLAYER TO FEE DATE
Tom Cleverley Watford 10m . 01 Jul, 2017
Gerard Deulofeu Barcelona £10,500,000 01 Jul, 2017
Arouna Kone Sivasspor Free 04 Jul, 2017
Josef Yarney Newcastle Free 06 Jul, 2017
Romelu Lukaku Man Utd £75,000,000 10 Jul, 2017
Aiden McGeady Sunderland Undisc. 13 Jul, 2017
Courtney Duffus Oldham Undisc. 17 Jul, 2017
Gareth Barry West Brom Undisc. 15 Aug, 2017
Michael Donohue Fleetwood Free 01 Oct, 2017
Ross Barkley Chelsea £15,000,000 05 Jan, 2018
Gethin Jones Fleetwood Undisc. 05 Jan, 2018
Jordan Thorniley Sheff Wed Free 01 Jul, 2016
John Stones Man City £47,500,000 09 Aug, 2016
Steven Pienaar Sunderland Free 19 Aug, 2016
Ryan Ledson Oxford Undisc. 25 Aug, 2016
Darron Gibson Sunderland Undisc. 30 Jan, 2017
Bryan Oviedo Sunderland 5m. 30 Jan, 2017
Delial Brewster Chesterfield Free 15 Jun, 2017
Russell Griffiths Motherwell Free 21 Jun, 2017
Barkley 15m


Total incomings under Moshiri 178m

So thats all business done under Moshiri - the statement of spending 2 pound for every one brought in by sales should in fact have been we have been spending 1.29 pound for every 1 pound brought in by sales.

OFC - if you wanted to try to spin it, you could include money spent (although the way it was phrased was in terms of the squad etc) on managers - so that would be under Moshiri - 11m in compensation to sack Martinez, 5m in compensation to Saints for Koeman - then a 10m payoff to sack Koeman, and then a 2m payoff to palace to hire Allardyce so a further 28m spent on managers over 2 years in just terms of compensation packages etc. factoring in that would bring the ratio to 1.45 pound to 1 pound. (258.6m compared to 178m)

To get the figure and ratio closer to the way Elstone portrayed it to be you would have to start getting very creative in what was included and what wasn't included, for example - any addons on players sold - NOT included, any addons on players bought - included.

So Lukaku form example stays at the flat fee of 75m - despite 15m further being in addons, Rooney for example was estimated to have cost 10m as part of the Lukaku transfer - so we would add that 10m into the players bought, but not factor it into Lukakus sale price. Tosun would go from the flat agreed fee of below 20m up to the maximum fee with addons of 25m say... same with Bolasie - from the 20m fee to the maximum we will pay which is 27m, similarly you have 4m in addons attached to Schnedierlins transfer, Onyekuru goes to 10m, Lookman 12m etc etc. Include all loan fees paid for players - but not include any received etc, also then knock off the stones sell on we had to give Barnsley - which in reality should classify as both incoming and outgoing and thus balance - but if you are being creative you could use it twice, by saying we paid Barnsley the 7m sell on fee, and then wiping that off the incoming fees also

so you would be able to (by being creative with accounts) add on another 42m to the incomings spent and knock off 7m from the players incomings.

That would move the ratio to more like 300m spent, and 170m recieved, which then moves the ratio to a massive 1.77 spent per 1 received.

So even being massively creative with the way you record sales and using different criteria for spend, you still can't get even close to those figures Elstone quoted, effectively he outright lied to the AGM, the only thing which would even semi move (and i believe he did) would be to knock off all loyalty bonuses paid to players sold from the incoming fees received, to add on all agent fees and signing bonuses for players onto the costs of players bought.

You've started from the wrong place though mate. Elstone wasn't quoting figures under Moshiri, he was quoting figures for the last seven windows ( not including the current one ). I havn't checked his numbers, but here's the slide if you fancy going back through them

 

[bluestevon]

Ummmmmmmmmmm.....FIRST off, can we take a second to point out the three absolutely massive errors you have made in compiling a nice little list to support your view? I say errors as I can only assume you didnt do them on purpose, as that would be incredibly dishonest.

1. What they said at the AGM was "Over the last 7 windows Everton have spent £335.3m while bringing in £170.3m.", not, over the past 3 windows. So you are missing Niasse at 13.5m, Funes mori 9.6M, Lennon 4.5,, Deolufeo 4.2m, Tarashaj 3.4m, not to mention about 2 million for others such as Holgate. Outgoings over those next 2 windows was only Naismith, 8.5m. The winter window of 14/15 had no expenditure. So that revises your totals to 267.81 bought, and 186.5 sold.

2. Siggurdson? 45 million. Mighty convenient to leave that name off the list as its the biggest transfer. Revised figure at 313 million bought.

3. We sold Barkley twice? Convenient. So thats 15 million off of the sales, revising that down to 171.5m.

Now, if you consider that they said last 7 windows and wanted to point out how much they spent, they also likely meant the summer of 2014, where we spent 32 million on Lukaku and besic, and had outgoing of only 1 million. Figures now at 344 spent and 172.5 sold. Or almost EXACTLY 2 for 1.

So it appears based on your research they were telling exactly the truth. I get that doesnt fit peoples agendas, and that Everton have been messy in the past, but if you really really really thought that an accountant would send out his team to give very wrong numbers at a general meeting in front of journalists, you need to consider just how much of what you believe is true and how much you desperately just want to hate on the people involved.

Good spot on Barkley mate, my mistake there, but errrm - sigurdsson is on the list - so you can knock that 45m right back off your calculations (i assume it was your mistake not seeing that ofc - you wouldn't be dishonest like that)

As for including the summer of 2014, hmm that would make it 8 windows unless you are not counting the current one - which i would say would be 'creative accounting to include both)

Dont include this then knock 19m off in bought and 15 off in sales, don't include summer 2014 - which is actually 8 windows ago, then knock off 29m in bought - zero in sales, lets face it we all know which Elstone will choose to do

Even giving you ALL the points - the figure would still only be Bought (revised figure after subtracting Sigurdsoon after you added him twice - tuttut) 299m and sales 172.5m - thats using entirely your figures now btw, the ratio would equate to 1.73:1 (not the stated 2:1)

May not seem a lot, but in reality Elstone lied about a bare minimum of 46m that he said we have spent that we haven't.

Suppose i could level the exact same claim at you that you have at me, about agenda etc, or about wishing desperately to believe to want to trust those involved, but using your own revised figures i have shown that there is an absolute massive difference in what he stated.

Or in short next time you agree to do overtime, think how you would react if your rate of pay was supposed to be double, you open your pay packet and find you have received only a 1.73 rate instead

 

[bluestevon]

You've started from the wrong place though mate. Elstone wasn't quoting figures under Moshiri, he was quoting figures for the last seven windows ( not including the current one ). I havn't checked his numbers, but here's the slide if you fancy going back through them

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revised the posts a bit mate after a response, the numbers simply don't add up at all. will tear that apart later though the slideshow that is

 

[bluestevon]

Might want to check that list again as its a lie, and notice it omitted Siggurdson, counted Barkley twice, among other issues. Elstone's numbers actually add up, amazingly enough.

Lie mate? really? maybe go to specsavers

 

[Nymzee]

West Ham in for Smolov.

Actually wouldn't mind him at an okay fee.

 

[Woolly Blue]

revised the posts a bit mate after a response, the numbers simply don't add up at all. will tear that apart later though the slideshow that is

I've had a quick look through the accounts for 2014/15, 2015/17 and 2016/17 and can't really square the numbers with the slides

The accounts recently issued show a loss on player trading for 2016/17 of 52 million and a loss for 2015/16 of 8 million. The accounts for 2014/15 don't make it easy to get the numbers out, so I'm not going to try to make sense of that

So

Accounts 2017/18 : Net spend : 60 million, Bob's slide : Net spend : 60 million ( the number from the accounts is post year-end )
Accounts 2016/17 Net spend : 52 million, Bob's slide : Net spend : 36 million
Accounts 2015/16 Net spend : 8 million, Bob's slide : Net spend : 33.5

Totals :-

Accounts : Net spend 120 million, Bob's slides 130 million

So, from that, I end up concluding that things don't quite add up, but his slides aren't a million miles away from some sort of reality.