2019/20 Jordan Pickford

[Specials]

First goal, Tell me how that isn't a howler.

The defensive wall defines 'howler'.

However, the goalie being unprepared for a ball flying at 80mph to find what should have been a non existent gap is somewhat understandable.

 

[Lanolin]

That may well be true but due to the FFP bind we're in right now, we have to make as much profit as we can on players we sell. The value of too many players we have signed recently has just fallen off a cliff unfortunately and we are getting no returns on our investment.

The only way the club will replace Pickford is if a buyer comes in and offers us more than what we paid for him and it just isn't going to happen.

Replacing Pickford is also going to be pretty low down on the club's list of priorities come the summer as well. A centre midfielder (maybe even 2), a right winger, a centre back if we replace Michael Keane (who is a bigger problem than Pickford), a right back, maybe another striker, a back up left back... There's just no budget for a new goalkeeper, especially if we can't shift the current one for a profit.

Based on the standard FFP calculations at the end of the season Pickford would have a book value of £10m. If we sold him for £30m we'd be showing a £20m profit on the books. The idea that this would somehow be a bad thing is the sort of weird irrational thinking about FFP that the scaremongerers like the esk love to promote. It's a ridiculous notion. You're then saying we wouldn't have the budget to do what i'm suggesting, even though i'm literally talking about selling somebody and replacing them like for like for a vastly reduced sum. How could we possibly not have the budget to do that?!

 

[MikeH72]

Imagine where we could be if he’d won us a point this season.

 

[toffee-L]

Based on the standard FFP calculations at the end of the season Pickford would have a book value of £10m. If we sold him for £30m we'd be showing a £20m profit on the books. The idea that this would somehow be a bad thing is the sort of weird irrational thinking about FFP that the scaremongerers like the esk love to promote. It's a ridiculous notion. You're then saying we wouldn't have the budget to do what i'm suggesting, even though i'm literally talking about selling somebody and replacing them like for like for a vastly reduced sum. How could we possibly not have the budget to do that?!

We aren't going to sell Pickford for £30m, no matter what you think him as a player it's well below his market value based on what clubs spend these days. It would take a bid of at least £45m before the club even came to the negotiation table and nobody is going to offer that so the whole discussion is pointless. Didn't the club give him a six-year contract not so long ago?

I say we don't have the budget because the club almost certainly won't see his position as one that needs strengthing above the plethora of other issues we have in our team. We aren't going to buy a goalkeeper over one, or even two, centre mids, a centre back, maybe a striker, a right winger and a right back. We'll probably also get a back up goaly as Lossl is probably done for and and a replacement for Baines. A new goalkeeper doesn't feature in our transfer plans at all, unless someone gives us stupid money for Pickford - which they won't.

FFP is relevant to the discussion regarding our transfer activity because we've been bleeding money on transfers for too long, and an absolute fortune has been wiped off our accounts by expensive players whose values have plummeted whilst they've been with us. I think our activity this summer will be very carefully balanced against sales, it has to be, and we need to start getting premiums for our players. This isn't scaremongering, it's just being realistic. The club aren't going to panic and sell Pickford for whatever someone offers us, he's still a young goalkeeper and could double his value in 12 months. The club will be patient and wait for this potential opportunity than rashly sell him now.

I'm not saying that I think he's worth that level of faith, I'm just sure this is what the club's thinking will be.

 

[Lanolin]

We aren't going to sell Pickford for £30m, no matter what you think him as a player it's well below his market value based on what clubs spend these days. It would take a bid of at least £45m before the club even came to the negotiation table and nobody is going to offer that so the whole discussion is pointless. Didn't the club give him a six-year contract not so long ago?

I say we don't have the budget because the club almost certainly won't see his position as one that needs strengthing above the plethora of other issues we have in our team. We aren't going to buy a goalkeeper over one, or even two, centre mids, a centre back, maybe a striker, a right winger and a right back. We'll probably also get a back up goaly as Lossl is probably done for and and a replacement for Baines. A new goalkeeper doesn't feature in our transfer plans at all, unless someone gives us stupid money for Pickford - which they won't.

FFP is relevant to the discussion regarding our transfer activity because we've been bleeding money on transfers for too long, and an absolute fortune has been wiped off our accounts by expensive players whose values have plummeted whilst they've been with us. I think our activity this summer will be very carefully balanced against sales, it has to be, and we need to start getting premiums for our players. This isn't scaremongering, it's just being realistic. The club aren't going to panic and sell Pickford for whatever someone offers us, he's still a young goalkeeper and could double his value in 12 months. The club will be patient and wait for this potential opportunity than rashly sell him now.

I'm not saying that I think he's worth that level of faith, I'm just sure this is what the club's thinking will be.

It's just a forum though mate.

I'm not saying the club will do it, I was responding to a post saying that they couldn't do it by saying that they could.

You're missing the point about FFP. I'm simply saying that the scenario I was advocating would have a positive effect on our FFP not a negative one. That's just a fact. So mentioning FFP at all is part of the scaremongering I'm talking about, everybody's so convinced that FFP is going to be the death of us that they're even using it to argue why making money would be a bad move.

 

[MikeH72]

That may well be true but due to the FFP bind we're in right now, we have to make as much profit as we can on players we sell. The value of too many players we have signed recently has just fallen off a cliff unfortunately and we are getting no returns on our investment.

The only way the club will replace Pickford is if a buyer comes in and offers us more than what we paid for him and it just isn't going to happen.

Replacing Pickford is also going to be pretty low down on the club's list of priorities come the summer as well. A centre midfielder (maybe even 2), a right winger, a centre back if we replace Michael Keane (who is a bigger problem than Pickford), a right back, maybe another striker, a back up left back... There's just no budget for a new goalkeeper, especially if we can't shift the current one for a profit.

Keane isn't a bigger problem than Pickford though, because he can be dropped. Pickford seemingly can't be, so has to play every single game regardless of form, no other player is afforded that luxury.

 

[everton1953]

Neither goal at Watford was his fault. As to the question should he be replaced, I would answer yes to that question for every position on the pitch without exception, should far better players become available. As is often said on this forum, a new goalie is not a priority. Other positions require more urgent attention. Carra's remarks were strange on TV. He said Pickford should be 1st England choice for what he has done for England but not on what he has done for Everton. They were discussing Pope v Pickford.

 

[toffee-L]

It's just a forum though mate.

I'm not saying the club will do it, I was responding to a post saying that they couldn't do it by saying that they could.

You're missing the point about FFP. I'm simply saying that the scenario I was advocating would have a positive effect on our FFP not a negative one. That's just a fact. So mentioning FFP at all is part of the scaremongering I'm talking about, everybody's so convinced that FFP is going to be the death of us that they're even using it to argue why making money would be a bad move.

I don't think that FFP will be the death of us at all, I think the jarg Usmanov naming deal shows the club have plenty of tricks up their sleave as a way out of the problem should one be required, but we are only permitted to lose a certain amount of money over a 3 year rolling period and we have to reduce our losses. We are not in a good position currently in this regard and we have to be so much smarter in the market than we have been.

Underselling our assets isn't the answer to that problem is all I'm saying. I don't have great faith in Pickford but I don't see the positive in selling him for below his market value to experiment with a cut price replacement who may or may not be an upgrade.

 

[toffee-L]

Keane isn't a bigger problem than Pickford though, because he can be dropped. Pickford seemingly can't be, so has to play every single game regardless of form, no other player is afforded that luxury.

I get your point mate but I'm not so sure. I don't think Pickford being on the pitch is anywhere near as detrimental to our performance as Keane appearing. I think number one goalies are always afforded more luxury when it comes to retaining their place because the number two is usually brought in specifically to sit there and not complain.

I don't share the opinion that Pickford is having an absolute shocker this season either, don't get me wrong, he needs to be better - but I've never thought after any game we've played this season "christ, dya know who I really want to see in the team? Jonas Lossl."

 

[MikeH72]

I get your point mate but I'm not so sure. I don't think Pickford being on the pitch is anywhere near as detrimental to our performance as Keane appearing. I think number one goalies are always afforded more luxury when it comes to retaining their place because the number two is usually brought in specifically to sit there and not complain.

I don't share the opinion that Pickford is having an absolute shocker this season either, don't get me wrong, he needs to be better - but I've never thought after any game we've played this season "christ, dya know who I really want to see in the team? Jonas Lossl."

I’ve thought that quite regularly as I’ve watched Pickford fail to save a shot for 2 months.

 

[Ring master]

Pickford has the same clean sheets at this stage to last season,we are in pretty much same postion with same goals conceeded pretty much, we have same points from same games now to last, but carry on people going on about every single goal been his fault even when we all know its not, yes as ive said he will make mistakes like every keeper but nowhere near anything lots of you make out, - did no one not see fosters kick that led to free kick at start of 2nd half that deflected over for us-[imagine if that was Pickford], his mistake v arsenal , one v leicester-proper mistakes that are genuine not ones that some of you want to call one that no one else does, no one see pope let the ball go though his hands v chelsea, De Gea, Allison etc etc - it does happen, try not been selective when you make out another keeper is better.all we need is a decent number 2 to provide comp for Pickford-Its all so tedious and boring from some in here who think they are doctors knowing how pickford works etc

 

[havrey0123]

He dives for balls that are well wide, I was wondering about this, is it because he sometimes loses his bearings or is it just for the cameras

 

[Gerbs]

He dives for balls that are well wide, I was wondering about this, is it because he sometimes loses his bearings or is it just for the cameras

Almost everything he does is for the cameras and the crowds. The insecurity just oozes our of every pore of his tiny armed little body

 

[bol-uk]

Neither goal at Watford was his fault. As to the question should he be replaced, I would answer yes to that question for every position on the pitch without exception, should far better players become available. As is often said on this forum, a new goalie is not a priority. Other positions require more urgent attention. Carra's remarks were strange on TV. He said Pickford should be 1st England choice for what he has done for England but not on what he has done for Everton. They were discussing Pope v Pickford.

Agree with you here

 

[davids]

He dives for balls that are well wide, I was wondering about this, is it because he sometimes loses his bearings or is it just for the cameras

Always have the feeling he isn't completely sure of his position,crosses are s particular problem.