Joseph Barton

[Rita_Poon]

I find Davek quite entertaining. He's definitely turned into a bit of a cartoon since Covid though.

Couldn't possibly put Foreverhangingaroundschoolgates on ignore, his bizarre attention seeking posts/lying about photographing supermodels and being a social media influencer are hilarious. Got to be a parody account.

I don't hang around the youth players thread so rarely see anything posted by The President, apart from his recent experiments with global politics in the Israel thread, but he's too stupid to engage with or take seriously.

The only two I have on ignore are retired, angry boomers. Golf club bores, raging against women, trans people, whatever else the Daily Mail tells them to be upset about. Not worth engaging with.

God bless the ignore function, really wish I'd discovered it earlier.

Anyway, Joey Barton, what a massive bell, So glad he never ended up playing for us.

I'd flog myself if I could, but there's a queue. Understood, ten four, over and out. Bar running, gun running, submarine flogging, international war criminal du jour, legend in his own lunchtime, and paramount thatchers minion. Best guess I have. And there's a lot of gold I had to overlook in there to get to here. lol

 

[chrismpw]

Defo appears to be doubling down on the controversial comments having been called out on his apparent gender views in previous threads. If it’s banter, it’s not working; if it’s not, well, the earlier calling out holds. Shame really - @chrismpw is an all-time great poster. I lap him up, whether he’s pouring beer in his festival shoes, navigating canals in appalling weather conditions, rebuilding his kitchen, geeking out on hi-fi ting, etc, etc, etc, but this whole ‘females’ business takes off the gloss.

I like females. They're no worse and no better than males. Each is individual and can be judged on merit. Furthermore I have no problem with people who identify with a different gender (I don't only know a few, I've helped them along). My beef is the swamping of the bbc with female-only interests and opinions. I'm not pretending that it's all female ... but the balance is certainly that way. I guess you need to be retired and listening to the radio all day to notice the regularity. Actually I've stopped. I seldom watch live TV and I've turned the radio off. If people moaned about paying the tv licence because there was too much crap tv, nothing would be said. I moan about there being a bias of female-interest programming and a lack of stuff for me to watch, and I'm a pariah in the eyes of some clots.

There are a few clowns and pseudo intellectuals on this site who like to vurtue signal how wonderfully they represent the female gender and how they ate the white knights for them. They're constantly on the lookout for comments they can lift our of context or misrepresent in order to mount their high horse and criticise. It's happened a few times to things I've said. I knew kids like that when i was at school as a child. They were seen as sleaze bags back then because they were like that, cynically, just trying to get some attention from the girls. Times have changed.

It is sad that we have got to a point with social media that open debate has been replaced by trolling and mob action based on ignorance and assumption. Anybody who dares not jump on the white Knight pro extreme feminism bandwagon is assumed to be against it.

Today I complained there was too much if a football focused programme dedicated to a person who happened to he female, playing a piano. I pointed out I'd have had equal beef if it had been a make, but the usual suspects come sniffing around beating their pan lids to draw attention to their own agenda. Its a bit pathetic.

If you ever met my missus or daughter in law you'd quickly know that I'd be a single man if what some of the people on this site thought about me were true. The best bit is, I know the truth of the situation so I see those simple minded, pitchfork weilding bigots for what they are.

 

[Rita_Poon]

There are a few clowns and pseudo intellectuals

Ex-very-scuse me, I identify as both!

 

[toffee82]

Today I complained there was too much if a football focused programme dedicated to a person who happened to he female, playing a piano. I pointed out I'd have had equal beef if it had been a make, but the usual suspects come sniffing around beating their pan lids to draw attention to their own agenda. Its a bit pathetic.

She also happened to be the England captain that lifted the Euro Championship though.

 

[chrismpw]

She also happened to be the England captain that lifted the Euro Championship though.

Yes I watched her do that. And as I said, it remains irrelevant to a football focus programme in my view, as would Pickford learning a trombone. Its simply gossip.

 

[PhilM]

Today I complained there was too much if a football focused programme dedicated to a person who happened to he female, playing a piano. I pointed out I'd have had equal beef if it had been a make, but the usual suspects come sniffing around beating their pan lids to draw attention to their own agenda. Its a bit pathetic.

I very rarely watch FF, so I've decided to watch it on iPlayer to get my perspective. As of twenty-eight minutes, it was all football - meeting its name.

They then introduced 'Out of the Office' - a new digital series where they 'follow footballers pursuing their hobbies away from the pitch'. I took this as a promo.

It started at 38 minutes and stopped before forty-five minutes, where the discussion moved towards the mental side of the game. A grand total of seven minutes.

So, we're looking at between 11-12% of the programme being used as a promo for another BBC sports programme, with a direct link to football.

While it may not be to everyone's taste (admittedly, not mine), I would suggest it's more than a tenuous link, with the current trend of wider football perspectives.

If you look at how BBC, ITV or Sky News work for example, there's always the uplifting and not explicitly important news aspect that is there to lighten the mood.

In a thirty-minute broadcast, unsurprisingly it's not far from 10% of the entire programme. I bet if we watch other FF episodes, there are similar reports.

In yesterday's FF, I would say that 100% of the programme had some football links, with 88-89% being direct reporting or analysis, so easily the majority.

Sometimes, we simply just need to read the room.

 

[Walken]

I like females. They're no worse and no better than males. Each is individual and can be judged on merit. Furthermore I have no problem with people who identify with a different gender (I don't only know a few, I've helped them along). My beef is the swamping of the bbc with female-only interests and opinions. I'm not pretending that it's all female ... but the balance is certainly that way. I guess you need to be retired and listening to the radio all day to notice the regularity. Actually I've stopped. I seldom watch live TV and I've turned the radio off. If people moaned about paying the tv licence because there was too much crap tv, nothing would be said. I moan about there being a bias of female-interest programming and a lack of stuff for me to watch, and I'm a pariah in the eyes of some clots.

There are a few clowns and pseudo intellectuals on this site who like to vurtue signal how wonderfully they represent the female gender and how they ate the white knights for them. They're constantly on the lookout for comments they can lift our of context or misrepresent in order to mount their high horse and criticise. It's happened a few times to things I've said. I knew kids like that when i was at school as a child. They were seen as sleaze bags back then because they were like that, cynically, just trying to get some attention from the girls. Times have changed.

It is sad that we have got to a point with social media that open debate has been replaced by trolling and mob action based on ignorance and assumption. Anybody who dares not jump on the white Knight pro extreme feminism bandwagon is assumed to be against it.

Today I complained there was too much if a football focused programme dedicated to a person who happened to he female, playing a piano. I pointed out I'd have had equal beef if it had been a make, but the usual suspects come sniffing around beating their pan lids to draw attention to their own agenda. Its a bit pathetic.

If you ever met my missus or daughter in law you'd quickly know that I'd be a single man if what some of the people on this site thought about me were true. The best bit is, I know the truth of the situation so I see those simple minded, pitchfork weilding bigots for what they are.

To be fair Chris, to avoid future confusion it may be best not to randomly bring up the gender of the subject of a football focused programmed and complain about their appearance, in a thread specifically addressing the topic of misogyny in football courtesy of Barton's disgusting comments.

 

[Baines' left foot]

Can’t some horrible Liverpool gangster sort him out? Get him some nice aggregate boots for Christmas.

No one would care if he vanished.

 

[bluejohn66]

Yes I watched her do that. And as I said, it remains irrelevant to a football focus programme in my view, as would Pickford learning a trombone. Its simply gossip.

I reckon he'd struggle with a Trombone, his arms wouldn't be able to get to the end of that slider thing. A Tambourine........ Now ya talking.

 

[Naisy'sCharitableLeanings]

If you ever met my missus or daughter in law you'd quickly know that I'd be a single man if what some of the people on this site thought about me were true. The best bit is, I know the truth of the situation so I see those simple minded, pitchfork weilding bigots for what they are.

Delighted to read that Chris, which is kind of my point - there’s mutual respect and love between you, yet you talk about your wife in such reductive terms. You know what you’re doing by insisting on referring to your wife as “the female”. My objection has nothing to do with virtue signalling or similar - I just think it’s an awful way to refer to her, especially when you seem to be claiming that it’s all just part of the internet character you’ve created.

 

[chrismpw]

To be fair Chris, to avoid future confusion it may be best not to randomly bring up the gender of the subject of a football focused programmed and complain about their appearance, in a thread specifically addressing the topic of misogyny in football courtesy of Barton's disgusting comments.

Well to be honest, I brought it up because I saw that segment as rather boring gossip - which many, including my own missus, put down to the nature of women* in the programme. It didn't have a place in a programme that is suppose to deliver football news.

*does this, her expressing a view that does other than show some women in a shining light, make my missus a terrible misogynist too? I'd like to hear from the experts here so I can show her how so many people can use so little evidence to extrapolate wildly to paint an erroneous picture of a character.

@Bishop Thumpety-Thump is the king of this. Ironic that (s)he likes to mount his/her lofty steed on this single topic and cast aspersions, but when delved into his/her posting history and illustrated that his/her most common input to the forum was to drop into threads and drop random nasty personal insults to posters (s)he quickly put me on ignore. I've not looked recently, but for a while at least the result was that (s)he cleaned up the act a bit, which was nice.

 

[chrismpw]

I very rarely watch FF, so I've decided to watch it on iPlayer to get my perspective. As of twenty-eight minutes, it was all football - meeting its name.

They then introduced 'Out of the Office' - a new digital series where they 'follow footballers pursuing their hobbies away from the pitch'. I took this as a promo.

It started at 38 minutes and stopped before forty-five minutes, where the discussion moved towards the mental side of the game. A grand total of seven minutes.

So, we're looking at between 11-12% of the programme being used as a promo for another BBC sports programme, with a direct link to football.

While it may not be to everyone's taste (admittedly, not mine), I would suggest it's more than a tenuous link, with the current trend of wider football perspectives.

If you look at how BBC, ITV or Sky News work for example, there's always the uplifting and not explicitly important news aspect that is there to lighten the mood.

In a thirty-minute broadcast, unsurprisingly it's not far from 10% of the entire programme. I bet if we watch other FF episodes, there are similar reports.

In yesterday's FF, I would say that 100% of the programme had some football links, with 88-89% being direct reporting or analysis, so easily the majority.

Sometimes, we simply just need to read the room.

It was just tiresome gossip.

And a decent rewording of "reading the room" in this forum is "join the echo chamber."

 

[chrismpw]

Delighted to read that Chris, which is kind of my point - there’s mutual respect and love between you, yet you talk about your wife in such reductive terms. You know what you’re doing by insisting on referring to your wife as “the female”. My objection has nothing to do with virtue signalling or similar - I just think it’s an awful way to refer to her, especially when you seem to be claiming that it’s all just part of the internet character you’ve created.

"The female" is always meant in jest and used in the context of faux (well not always faux if im honest) exasperation at yet another demand, idea or intrusion into the smooth, quiet running if my day. Probably derived from Friday night dinner if i think about it. We are always speaking to one another this kind of way.

Technically though - are you implying that using the word female is derogatory in any way? Maybe suggesting an insult? Inferiority? Careful now .... eyes are watching, and fingers twitching to the keyboard ready to paint all kinds of other wrongly extrapolated and imagined views of you so they can feel better about their own sad lives.

This is what I mean about context. Maybe I'm guilty that my context or humour bight be too subtle for some of the more literal or linear thinkers in here to get sometimes, and they fly into indignation on behalf of sonebody else (not one of my favourite character traits if I'm honest.)

 

[PhilM]

It was just tiresome gossip.

And a decent rewording of "reading the room" in this forum is "join the echo chamber."

If that's your interpretation, well that's fine. However, the point is that sometimes a less singular perspective is sometimes needed to understand reasoning.

I'll give a football related analogy that suits the media perspective: I have no interest in match programmes. Personally, I don't really see how much they offer.

Inside, there are lots of interviews, articles et al. that doesn't suit my personal tastes. Yet, my son loves them, and on a match day I see many people reading them.

So, there is an audience for what they offer, hence the reasoning behind what they've included could arguably be justified. I see the same with the FF part.

While it may not suit our tastes, it is probably something they believe that will. Whether it does, well we can see. There may also be other motives, but so be it.

 

[chrismpw]

If that's your interpretation, well that's fine. However, the point is that sometimes a less singular perspective is sometimes needed to understand reasoning.

I'll give a football related analogy that suits the media perspective: I have no interest in match programmes. Personally, I don't really see how much they offer.

Inside, there are lots of interviews, articles et al. that doesn't suit my personal tastes. Yet, my son loves them, and on a match day I see many people reading them.

So, there is an audience for what they offer, hence the reasoning behind what they've included could arguably be justified. I see the same with the FF part.

While it may not suit our tastes, it is probably something they believe that will. Whether it does, well we can see. There may also be other motives, but so be it.

That's a fair point. I guess the problem is that I don't often sit and watch footie stuff on the telly these days, and when I do i want lots of information about a wide range of teams in a short time. Didn't ff used to be 15 mins? Half an hour? That segment was just irrelevant padding out.

Pundits )irrespective of gender) blathering on for 10 minutes after a 6 minute clip of action on motd is why I stopped watching that years back. (That and the narrow focus on the same old teams).