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2020/21 Josh King

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4737carlin said:
You might have something here, a lot of what he did was baffling but at the time a blind eye was turned becuase of his status.
Like he drops Davies after his best game but would persist with Gomes.
As for the game he had Mina and Keane both on the bench, that was like he was hiding it in plain sight how little he wanted us to do well.
I think you have a point.

Add to that his comment about football being the most important thing out of all the unimportant things in his life, that was a very odd thing to say.
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Glad to see the back of him who ever takes over - first part of the season magic - then he just differed = no passion ...... if all those home games we lost towards the end of the season would have had a full crowd he would have been slaughtered by the fans it was dire losing to a relegated team etc etc...
 
Bluestar said:
I agree. However, we were not a good team and couldn’t put an attack together.

Ancelotti chose not to use King, Gordon and Bernard. They might not have been great, but they were what we had.

Given the way we finished the season, they couldn’t have made us any worse.
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Gordon and Bernard are different as we already had them. We could have just not signed King and added another questionable player. I'm not defending Carlo.
 
Bluestar said:
I agree entirely.

However, I don’t think King got a fair chance. He didn’t start a single game. He is a PL experienced striker and he will score against us if he goes to another PL team.
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There is a good chance he won't go to another PL team though because he isn't very good. Look we could have started him two or three times and found out he's not very good but the evidence was already there and it just doesn't make sense to sign him because of that. So while I agree he didn't get a fair chance he's also 28 with 5 years in the PL and he wasn't very good so what do we need to give him a chance for? The far, far better thing to do would have been to keep Gordon who also might not be good but at least would have the possibility of showing us different.
 

TheBigIguana said:
There is a good chance he won't go to another PL team though because he isn't very good. Look we could have started him two or three times and found out he's not very good but the evidence was already there and it just doesn't make sense to sign him because of that. So while I agree he didn't get a fair chance he's also 28 with 5 years in the PL and he wasn't very good so what do we need to give him a chance for? The far, far better thing to do would have been to keep Gordon who also might not be good but at least would have the possibility of showing us different.
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Agree with all of that, but we were really bad and had no attacking options.
Surely he was better than nothing.
 
Bluestar said:
Agree with all of that, but we were really bad and had no attacking options.
Surely he was better than nothing.
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What would have been better than switching the players is having a manager that actually gave a crap and tried to fix our horrid system. That's really the issue and we've fixed it by hiring Rafael Benitez FFS.
 
Egil Olsen said:
Joshua King Criticizes Ancelotti.

- It's about the size of the club, the coach and the signals I got, he told Dagbladet.

Although he is clear that he does not regret that he went to Goodison Park, he is clear that not everything went as he was predicted:

- I do not regret that I went to Everton. I did not get the chance, not a single start. Had I got a start and not performed, I would have understood it, King says to Dagbladet.

- I had another offer that gave much more security, but was told that I would get to play and that I would get the chance at Everton. But it was not delivered, so then I feel that was not the intention, just.

Regardless of the time at Everton, he is left with one important lesson.

- Do not trust coaches who promise you things and say you will get the chance, that you will start ..., says King, who already after the first national team gathering under Ståle Solbakken's leadership was dissatisfied with the situation in Everton.

- Then I went and talked to Ancelotti, but what we talked about in that room, stays in that room…

Now he is aware that he feels led behind the light by the coach who has since taken over from Zinédine Zidane at Real Madrid.

He lied to me. But again; There are not many honest people who work in football. Except for the players, then. I had no relationship with Ancelotti.
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Ancelotti saw what most us us saw before he was signed, and that was a backup player, not a starter. Assuming theres a reason he wont disclaim what Carlo said to him, it probably went something like this:
’Start games? What are you talking about, youre not going to start games for us, this isnt Bournmouth or the championship’
I wouldnt share that with a newspaper either if i was him.
 

And I do think Carlo played favorites as every manager does. The reality is he made the same mistakes as every manager in existence. For instance, he persisted with Iwobi to prove everyone wrong, but by doing so he proved everyone right.
 
Bluestar said:
Agree with all of that, but we were really bad and had no attacking options.
Surely he was better than nothing.
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Not sure about that, theres a few of our players I wouldn't be too annoyed if we started with 10 instead of giving them a run.
 
Nyhus said:
Ancelotti saw what most us us saw before he was signed, and that was a backup player, not a starter. Assuming theres a reason he wont disclaim what Carlo said to him, it probably went something like this:
’Start games? What are you talking about, youre not going to start games for us, this isnt Bournmouth or the championship’
I wouldnt share that with a newspaper either if i was him.
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I was relieved when it was a short term contract. I didnt want us falling into the trap of another long term contract for an underwhelming player.

That said, our finish to the season was abysmal and probably worse than Bournemouth. We stank the place out and I cant believe he couldn't have offered something. His record was better than most of our team.
 
Nyhus said:
Ancelotti saw what most us us saw before he was signed, and that was a backup player, not a starter. Assuming theres a reason he wont disclaim what Carlo said to him, it probably went something like this:
’Start games? What are you talking about, youre not going to start games for us, this isnt Bournmouth or the championship’
I wouldnt share that with a newspaper either if i was him.
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So what you're saying is that Ancelotti lied to JK about getting a lot of playing time, and that he approved that the club bring in a player he never intended to use?

Or are you just saying that JK is lying about everything?
 

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