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2022/23 Kevin Thelwell

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Big call if we do bring in toure is a player he has wanted for awhile now. Will be up to him to bring in more players into the club if that is the big money buy we make this window. Have to use up the loan spots we have and get more options into this team
 
'Working ' flat out to solve all of our problems.

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allen said:
Exactly so. Until the organisation is run correctly, with the proper chain of command and clearly defined roles and responsibilities that everyone accepts, it won't work.

That's why I think rejecting the DoF model out of hand is wrong. It's not the model, it's the execution.
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Yep…it frustrates me a little (even in normal business) when people see something that doesn’t work, they instinctively blame the process as opposed to the people executing the process)… it can be one or the other, and sometimes even both….but seeing how the DoF works correctly with other clubs (Man City with loads of money and yes, Brighton with less), there is an argument that if implemented correctly with the correct objectives and oversight, it works. Just currently not at MadHouse FC.
 
Martin Alvito said:
I think those of you that demand a DoF find and sign the best-value talents from across the league, which you cherry-pick after the fact, are dramatically underestimating the complexity of the process. First, we have to scout them. Then, we have to convince them to come here. Then, we have to convince the agent and selling club to move the player at a price we can afford. It's a high-risk process that frequently doesn't work out, after a signing.

If you look at top clubs' signings, they brick as often as they hit, while throwing bags of cash at top talents who want to go there for CL football. I don't know if Brighton is truly doing things right, or if they're just on a hot streak with signings. Walsh's results here suggest he was just on a hot streak at Leicester, in no uncertain terms.

6 hits and two misses, which appear to have increased the value of the club's asset base and also fulfilled the minimum pitch requirement, seems like a good summer's work to me. The big mission this summer is getting the forward signing(s) right. If we add the goals and keep the improved defense, we'll be comfortably mid-table and able to sell some players to buy some more young talents, which should sort our depth problems.
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Last summer Goncalo Ramos was linked before he exploded.

Mo Kudus too and of course Gakpo and Mudryk all saw their values increase since we were linked.

I feel quite comfortable knowing those things (although not all links are true) and seeing us bring in Onana who barely played a full season and saw his value double.

If Toure joins for £34mil and in 12months hes £60-70mil like Onana i think the pendulum will switch for Thelwell.


mikel_88 said:
Big call if we do bring in toure is a player he has wanted for awhile now. Will be up to him to bring in more players into the club if that is the big money buy we make this window. Have to use up the loan spots we have and get more options into this team
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Buy 2 of the same Onana/Toure profile and loan others as backup/stopgaps and i think we'll look far better.
 

Zatara said:
If Toure joins for £34mil and in 12months hes £60-70mil like Onana i think the pendulum will switch for Thelwell.
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Clickbait and dodgy sky links say Onana is valued at £60m.

The reality is no one would pay anything over £40-45m at the most for him, from what he’s done so far.
 
Martin Alvito said:
I suspect McNeil is worth a bit more than he was at signing, at this point. Garner's value probably also increases this season if he stays healthy. We got quite the price, on that deal. Coady is a hit in the sense that we solved an immediate problem at low cost.

My approach is not disingenuous at all. There's more to this turnaround than the club's immediate-term performance on the pitch. That's the lesson Moshiri needed to learn. Instead, he went 'win-now' the way Boehly did, just not as hard. That only seems to work out when the club is only missing a key piece or two, and buys just those things. Otherwise, only the largest clubs by revenue can get away with it. I think Chelsea is also in for a rough ride, despite their revenue.

Many posters seem to think this is as easy as 'just go buy the cheap players other clubs succeeded with,' but it isn't. That demands, in an odds-based game, that the DoF hit a straight flush. It probably won't happen, no matter how good the DoF is. If you look at the data, a large percentage of transfers do not work out across all clubs. Most of the rest are not bargains. The most likely explanation for the result is that certain clubs get a little lucky for a while. Some clubs do a better job than others of putting themselves in position to get lucky.

Where I will agree with you is that the club simply must spend to secure a center forward that contributes goals, to keep us out of the relegation zone.
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We got worse, we got fewer points, we scored far fewer goals, we finished lower in the league standings and the best you can offer in terms of increasing the value of the squad is McNeill, who I agree we wouldn't lose money on but I am unconvinced that we would make any, and Garner, who even you say in your argument needs another season before we might, possibly make a return. I agree that doing something with this club is hard but I'm sticking with disingenuous as my description of anyone claiming there is noticeable progress under Thelwell.
 
Paul Rideout said:
Dom will be like a new signing for the first X games (I refuse to jinx it with actual numbers because I fear we will end up relying on his broken body) before he breaks down... would that count as a serviceable forward? lol
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No. If he was serviceable he'd play more than X games. Maybe 3X?!
 

windymiller said:
We got worse, we got fewer points, we scored far fewer goals, we finished lower in the league standings and the best you can offer in terms of increasing the value of the squad is McNeill, who I agree we wouldn't lose money on but I am unconvinced that we would make any, and Garner, who even you say in your argument needs another season before we might, possibly make a return. I agree that doing something with this club is hard but I'm sticking with disingenuous as my description of anyone claiming there is noticeable progress under Thelwell.
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Id suggest looking for the last time we brought in 6 players, and a year later 5 of them were worth equal or more than what we paid. I cant remember the last time. Combined they were 67 million, and even considering Maupay you could sell them for at least 90 million. It doesn't matter that they aren't instantly worth double. Buying players actually WORTH what we paid for them is a huuuuuge start. If we had a DOF who merely did that for the past decade we wouldnt be in this situation.
 
PeregrineT said:
Id suggest looking for the last time we brought in 6 players, and a year later 5 of them were worth equal or more than what we paid. I cant remember the last time. Combined they were 67 million, and even considering Maupay you could sell them for at least 90 million. It doesn't matter that they aren't instantly worth double. Buying players actually WORTH what we paid for them is a huuuuuge start. If we had a DOF who merely did that for the past decade we wouldnt be in this situation.
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Please, please show us your workings out for this
 

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