This is key for me. Was one of my main issues with unworths style of play.
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This is key for me. Was one of my main issues with unworths style of play.
Tak
Player Valuation: £750k
This is why I’m really quite sceptical about Keane. For this style to work he is too slow. He anchors the defence very deep because he’s too vulnerable higher up, and it affects the whole shape and tactics a lot. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him sold and replaced.
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
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Kieran Dowell will be an 'amazing' player, says Nottingham Forest boss Aitor Karanka
Nottingham Forest currently look unlikely to attempt to bring the Everton forward back to the City Ground next season - but Aitor Karanka is convinced he has a bright future
Kieran Dowell will be an "amazing player" in the future, says Aitor Karanka – but he admitted he was mystified as to why the forward lost his mojo in the final months of the campaign at Nottingham Forest.
The Reds boss believes the Everton youngster has all the attributes to flourish at the top level of the game.
But Karanka also acknowledges the 20-year-old’s influence did fade in the final third of the season.
Dowell burst onto the scene with some impressive displays after joining Forest last summer, on a season-long loan from the Premier League outfit – scoring eight goals under Mark Warburton and another, against Arsenal in the FA Cup, under the caretaker charge of Gary Brazil.
But Dowell’s only goal for Forest under Karanka – albeit a significant one – came in the 2-0 win over Wolves, early in his tenure.
Karanka is full of praise for the player – and believes he has considerable raw potential.
But he admits to being mystified as to why his influence faded in the final months of the campaign, when Dowell found himself down the pecking order behind January additions like Lee Tomlin and Joe Lolley.
“The Championship is tough and he did start really well. I do not know what happened,” said Karanka.
“I don’t know if he started to feel pressure from other players who had signed, but he lost his confidence. He looked a different player.
“But I am still sure that he will be an amazing player in the future, because he has everything. He is powerful, he has technique, he is a good kid.”
Karanka believes Dowell has a bright future and hopes to see him progress again, next season, even if it currently feels unlikely Forest will look to bring him back to the City Ground.
“He did really well. He needs to take another step forward now,” said Karanka. “I hope he can take another step forward next season, because he has a bright future.”
Dowell’s immediate future will see him play a part in the England under-21 squad heading to the Toulon Tournament this summer.
England won the tournament last season, when defender Joe Worrall was part of the squad.
Last summer, Dowell also enjoyed success on the international stage, helping England to lift the under-20 World Cup.
Kieran Dowell will be an 'amazing' player, says Nottingham Forest boss Aitor Karanka
Nottingham Forest currently look unlikely to attempt to bring the Everton forward back to the City Ground next season - but Aitor Karanka is convinced he has a bright future
Kieran Dowell will be an "amazing player" in the future, says Aitor Karanka – but he admitted he was mystified as to why the forward lost his mojo in the final months of the campaign at Nottingham Forest.
The Reds boss believes the Everton youngster has all the attributes to flourish at the top level of the game.
But Karanka also acknowledges the 20-year-old’s influence did fade in the final third of the season.
Dowell burst onto the scene with some impressive displays after joining Forest last summer, on a season-long loan from the Premier League outfit – scoring eight goals under Mark Warburton and another, against Arsenal in the FA Cup, under the caretaker charge of Gary Brazil.
But Dowell’s only goal for Forest under Karanka – albeit a significant one – came in the 2-0 win over Wolves, early in his tenure.
Karanka is full of praise for the player – and believes he has considerable raw potential.
But he admits to being mystified as to why his influence faded in the final months of the campaign, when Dowell found himself down the pecking order behind January additions like Lee Tomlin and Joe Lolley.
“The Championship is tough and he did start really well. I do not know what happened,” said Karanka.
“I don’t know if he started to feel pressure from other players who had signed, but he lost his confidence. He looked a different player.
“But I am still sure that he will be an amazing player in the future, because he has everything. He is powerful, he has technique, he is a good kid.”
Karanka believes Dowell has a bright future and hopes to see him progress again, next season, even if it currently feels unlikely Forest will look to bring him back to the City Ground.
“He did really well. He needs to take another step forward now,” said Karanka. “I hope he can take another step forward next season, because he has a bright future.”
Dowell’s immediate future will see him play a part in the England under-21 squad heading to the Toulon Tournament this summer.
England won the tournament last season, when defender Joe Worrall was part of the squad.
Last summer, Dowell also enjoyed success on the international stage, helping England to lift the under-20 World Cup.
This is what will stop him from hitting the heights, his confidence seems to get easily battered and he shrinks away. Shame because he’s such a talented boy
Barnfred 55
Player Valuation: £80m
So he doesn't think him coming in, playing a much more defensive style of foitball, plus playing him in a diffetent position which saw him see less of the ball, didnt effect the lads form.
I saw him in March for the U21s and there was nowt wrong with his confidence. Hes been injured since.
Wouldnt have him anywhere near Forest next season with that dinosaur in charge.
duncan's pigeon
Player Valuation: £950k
Agree completely with this, his form "dipped" when they appointed Karanka who is completely defensive in his set up. That U21 game in March was great too watch, the best football I've seen any england team, the work horses where good but in Dowell and Lookman the game was different and they opened the opposition at will. Both top talents that need to be managed correctly by our new management team, not necessarily playing all the time but both could thrive next season and give us a different dimension going forwards.
Get this right and we'll have a style worthy of the name for the years to come and they're both here now so the money can be spent in other areas like the defence and the midfield general we need.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
He lost his way at Forest because he knew that continuing to play well for them was continuing with a policy of feeding donkeys strawberries. His contact from Everton was minimal and he must have thought "WTF am I doing giving this my best shot when that dinosaur and his staff have cut me adrift".
He's a PL player. Get him back in and start playing him. That seems to make sense when you consider he's our most gifted player. That could be a way forward under the new regime: USING our best players instead of loaning them out to the likes of Leipzig and Forest.
He's a PL player. Get him back in and start playing him. That seems to make sense when you consider he's our most gifted player. That could be a way forward under the new regime: USING our best players instead of loaning them out to the likes of Leipzig and Forest.
scratchnsurf
Player Valuation: £40m
Dave, we've been through this business with the donkeys and the strawberries already.
..it’s odd because you’d think confidence would’ve been more of a factor at the beginning of his loan yet he hit the ground running. Not only moving to a new club with new teammates, it was his first stab at open-age football.
I don’t agree with @davek, that he threw in the towel. Indeed, if that was the case it would be a concern. I just think it’s hard to maintain form for a full season, especially for a young lad playing in a side who were starting to struggle.
I just think it’s a shame that the Koeman/Walsh axis sent him on loan when he could’ve been managed more effectively, getting plenty of game time here. We really needed creative quality and goal scoring prowess in the first part of the season and this lad has both of those. It would’ve also answered a lot of questions about his ability to play at the top level.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
He wouldn't do that here.
In any case, I'd rather have a Dowell in the team who turns up and performs 50% of the time to any of the drones we have in the team now who give it their all and affect nothing in any single game.
I take it like at u23 where he starts off with something to prove, but when the pressure of him being the “number one” guy hits home he shrinks and shrivels.
I don’t think anyone doubts his skill, but mental strength is the second most important attribute to a players a game. And now a 3rd manager has questioned this.
At his age now he should be very close, if not regularly starting, in the first team and he’s not. If he doesn’t address it, his career will be a talented player in the lower leagues
little elfin
Player Valuation: £10m
we can write him off now? 
TheNinja
Player Valuation: £20m
Karanka immediately brought in Lee Tomlin in the position Dowell was playing. Also the lads first season playing at what is physically a tough level. He stood out at that level in several games and also seemed to improve his general movement and willingness to help the team. Physically it will have improved him.
Happy to have him looked at by the new management in pre season and trust them (brands) to see if he can be part of the first team next season.
Happy to have him looked at by the new management in pre season and trust them (brands) to see if he can be part of the first team next season.
John Paul Dowell.
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