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Kone Signs on 3 Year Deal

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T66 - both of your detailed posts are exactly the way it is. We may not want to hear it but, having the RS just one mile away is a major inhibitor. So is the fact that they carry the name of our city (a fault that goes back to Houlding's day). Anyway the truth about BK is he is so vague on financial details he relies on emotional value (which has no commercial worth) and to some extent it keeps some of the fans at arms' length. Given that he doesn't seem to have many other cards to play it's not the worst tactic and we're certainly competitive given that (as the FT stated) we are the 2nd club (in historic and financial terms) in (one of) the countries most deprived areas. The revenue growth issue really is the big problem - without the ground, without alleviating the debt issue and without the investment (perhaps here the price is high but it does serve to keep the wrong offers away) we are struggling to advance. For this reason alone perhaps RE is the right man - at least he doesn't jeopardise our status by having grandiose plans we can't match with income streams.

I didn't enjoy what you had to say but it's pretty much spot on.

Anyway back on topic Kone is a real handful - the match at Wigan last season showed that. Not a bad signing really.
 
The point is we pretty much HAVE to lose money year after year, unless a very massive (I repeat massive) reinvestment on a few things (buying out kitbag deals, all kinds of gimmicks and tricks which makes our club actually fashionable, or perhaps engineer a stadium move a la franchise FC to escape from the RS). All these will cost massive money and without them the price of the club is very close to zero.

Unfortunately I can see why they are reluctant to sell on the other hand.

I suspect Bill is willing, but the real power brokers at Everton are Green and Earl and they want a return on their investment (in Green's case, some off balance sheet lending).
 
No business reveals exactly where it spends every penny so you'll never get the precision you want but what we can see in rounded numbers:

Revenue £80m

People Costs £(55)m
Wages, salaries, bonuses of players and staff; 0 to directors as that has to be disclosed

Agent/transfer related fees £(4)m
Again, this gets reported via various newspapers; this sits in other operating costs

Finch Farm lease/Goodison rates/other direct facility/stadium running costs £(8)m
Again, based on numbers that have been disclosed in the past; will reduce slightly with the new deal with LCC includes heat, light, power, water, "routine" internal/pitch maintenance etc. All in other operating costs

Other costs £(10)m
Includes matchday costs for stewards/police, team and officials travel, all the normal costs of - which is costing £2m - running any business (equipment leases, car leases, general administrative costs, employee on-costs etc. etc.), one-offs like new pitch and ground repair/renovation and all the other "stuff" that Elstone name-checked at the AGM.

Financing costs £(4)m
Interest costs on debt split roughly 50:50 between the long-term mortgage deal we did (emergency need at the time but a bit of an expensive millstone now), the 'permanent' overdraft and the annual 'cash flow' loan to get us through the non-revenue generating summer months (Vibrac at the moment as the provider)

In a perfect world there would and should be disclosure of any personal interest the directors have in any offshore funding (does Earl have a direct interest in Vibrac?) and any personal security/debt they have secured against their own shareholding (are BK/Earl in hock to Green?) but under the current rules they are not required to disclose this detail and nobody else does it.

Could we know more? Yes.

Is Elstone's assertion that he/EFC have disclosed more to us than any other PL club fair? Yes.

Does this mean we are well run or that I trust Elstone to deliver the best performance and deals for the club? Yes and No.

I trust him to be honest. He is a Deloitte trained chartered accountant like me and has to comply with the same stringent ethical standards I do and I have no reason to believe he is any less respectful or diligent about that than me but I don't know him (he trained in Manchester 5-10 years after I trained in London and left to enter the real world!).

I trust Elstone to manage costs/risk.

I have no faith in Elstone as a commercial CEO, brand-builder and revenue generater.

As for Bill, he's a showman who has a different conception of "truth" than me. I believe in facts. Apparently he believes in "emotional truth" or some such guff. He'll bend the truth beyond recognition to tell the story he wants. He's not in the detail and has only a big picture grasp of our Finances. He's not delivered revenue growth, investment, a clear strategy or any deliverable plan to address any of the 3 key areas I flagged earlier. He's basically unable to move hos forward. None of that makes him a crook, just a problem.

Apologies to everyone else for the length but as a businessman and a trained Finance professional I get tired of the same misplaced questions being asked over and over again because they mean the questions we should be focused on can go unasked/unanswered and the fanbase gets divided between those who think:

1. Bill is bent and robbing us blind
2. Bill is part of the problem because he is out of his depth and using his showman skills and spin to bluff through
3. Bill is a Blue and the best owner we could have despite not having £

The first of those is just a blind alley that pushes more people into camp 3 as an emotional reaction, meaning they don't engage when people try to show them camp 2 is the reality. If the anti-Bill camp keeps banging the first drum change will never happen.

Rant over!!

Excellent. I hope that the message gets through, because that is an articulate description of the situation given the available facts. I have written at some length about Bills temprement and strategic 'skills' in business, a bit on here and a lot previously on Kipper, and unfortunately have to work in about 15 minutes so can't go into detail again. Suffice to say that Bill is very good, and successful at his core business in the theatre/films, but while football is a unique business, show business is unique in different ways.Briefly, Bill tries to use showbiz methods to run a football club, and I doubt that it works in the long term. Bill sold Everton as a 'show' to largely the same people who invest in his shows, and make money that way. People should not underestimate Bills influence in the UK theatre industry. A senior exec from the leading theatre chain told me a couple of years ago that without Bill Kenwright provincial theatre would be virtually dead. Theatre shows rely on the investment of 'angels' to get them going, and Bill has been very good at making money for his 'angels' in the theatre. The aforementioned Gregg built his business largely by buying run down theatres and putting Kenwright versions of hit musical into them. It was not difficult for Bill, therefore, to get these same 'angels' to invest in Everton. Trouble is, not many make much, if any money out of football, and this created Bills biggest problem...more to follow, maybe tonight.
 
Thanks! Why does every transfer we get involved in take so long to complete.

Agree it's frustrating - but console myself that there could be a few reasons. In this day of agent power I suspect all transfers take quite a while, especially if there are a number of clubs are involved which allows for greater haggling. It also depends when the deal becomes confirmed/public knowledge. Some deals that appear to happen overnight probably don't - they will have been ongoing for a while, but without people being aware. I do though think that because of our limited resources every deal is a big deal - there is very little room for even the slightest risk (hence Fer!). It's not just us - bet Arsenal fans feel the same way about Higuan, although I'd rather be waiting for him than Kone!
 

I think we're trying to announce Kone and Alcaraz together and Alcaraz is only back in the UK tomorrow. This is what I was told and it makes a strange kind of sense. We just operate at our own speed and in some ways I would rather we do that than rush into stuff given the fact that every £ is vital with us. I try to be patient...but normally fail!!
 
The money is due at the end this season, so it's not even arrived yet & you're peddling your conspiracy theories as to it's whereabouts.

They have a well worn routine of borrowing against future assets. It's the system they operate on. You know that but choose to ignore it for some reason. That money is *there* to be spent, we all know this. All other clubs know their windfall is there to be spent too.

Ah yes, the *conspiracies*. Poor old Bill, having to put up with people questioning investment in the team when it's all up front and accounted for in fine detail...erm....

The £8m for Fer was reported as being £2m up front. The Arteta money went to the bank because we overspent on wages the previous year. The current board is far from perfect but the argument that they are stealing from the club is a bit daft in my opinion.

Yes, they wanted to structure the Fer deal and that (not the ludicrous tale spun about 'knee injury) was the reason it fell through on Fer. But regardless of that: if we had £2M back then 6 months ago and Bill has already promised Martinez money besides sales of players now...why are we going to the wire with a £5M deal Wigan would prefer upfront?

Stealing from the club? No, I'm merely asking why money in doesn't tally with money going out. That's just a reasonable query. And those queries will get greater in number and volume until they stop giving us generalised accounts of 'infrastructure' and 'Other Operating Costs...or until they actually start spending decent money on the team...whichever comes first.
 
This is a good signing IMO. Its the sort of signing that allows us to be able to take risks in the market knowing that we have a reliable option already. Around 6 mill is a good deal for a player who's got the qualities he has plus let's not forget he can also play across the front line. So its also like buying more than one play because he'll be a reliable option as a striker plus a reliable 2option out wide.

We should get in some youngsters in there too. Its imperative we do that beause its the only way this team will move forward. Jela and Anichebe are taking us nowhere quickly. Can't see how their contribution to the team is going to take us anywhere.

If we got in kone, morata, and someone like bolly I'd be over the moon. 2 youngsters with enormous potential and a proven striker would be a nice package to have upfront. Plus two of them have the ability to contribute other positions.
 
This is a good signing IMO. Its the sort of signing that allows us to be able to take risks in the market knowing that we have a reliable option already. Around 6 mill is a good deal for a player who's got the qualities he has plus let's not forget he can also play across the front line. So its also like buying more than one play because he'll be a reliable option as a striker plus a reliable 2option out wide.

We should get in some youngsters in there too. Its imperative we do that beause its the only way this team will move forward. Jela and Anichebe are taking us nowhere quickly. Can't see how their contribution to the team is going to take us anywhere.

If we got in kone, morata, and someone like bolly I'd be over the moon. 2 youngsters with enormous potential and a proven striker would be a nice package to have upfront. Plus two of them have the ability to contribute other positions.

Apart from the last two seasons he's been anything but reliable. I really hope at least another forward is going to be added, not even one with raw potential either. We're desperate for a top class striker.
 

We were willing to spend £8million on Fer. Upwards of that for Negrado last January.

Nothing will have changed you think.....

Oh wait... No, it's always more down to the installments because we don't really have that money.

It's why transfer take that long with us. It's been noted plenty by players and agents for us farting around and taking time with transfers.
 

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