Latest Takeover Rumour. The Moores / Noell one

[SerenityNigh]

Just think/hope there are other options not in the public eye yet.

I appreciate the club's discreteness, but wish I wasn't short on hope at the moment. The quietness is fine except for lack of hope.

 

[Woolly Blue]

Can we ban roydo for breaking the no more moneyball talk rule?

Off topic and inciting trouble

 

[Woolly Blue]

The word for teams like the 76ers who are crap on purpose to get a lot of high draft picks is "tanking."

You're new here so I won't thread ban you.
But stay on topic

 

[Woolly Blue]

I don't disagree that there are no inefficiencies.

I disagree that 'Moneyball' can happen. Moneyball is what happens when revolution dramatically overtakes a closed system. European football is not a closed system, and as such efficiencies are likely to be adopted more incrementally as various teams identify different inefficiencies and compensate for them. By the time the revolution fully occurs, everyone is on the same page, and wealth reigns.

'Sake

 

[kithnou]

Just think/hope there are other options not in the public eye yet.

Wonder if they will ever come to the fore, if/when these two take over? Or will we forever have the "Sheikh Mansour" shoulda woulda coulda to fume about for the next 20 years should these two end up a bust?

 

[MACCA75]

Think with us it's more a case of 'no money? Balls.'

 

[Dymak]

It was only 1987 when relegation from the football league was intoduced, tbf. Before then you could stay up as long as you won an election with the other clubs voting. I'm pretty glad that's gone away.

Wow, I never knew that. Who governs the clubs outside of the football league, is it still the FA?

 

[njligernj]

The problem with that is that the moment we get relegated the tap is shut off.

Oh I agree. It's a terrible plan from our perspective as fans. I'm merely looking at it from a business perspective. Yes relegation is a risk but business is managing risk. That risk is acceptable given the risk/reward ratio so that plan makes the most sense of any plan on the table. I am not ITK I'm just looking at it from an un-emotional investment standpoint: by FAR the most likely plan is the one I have outlined.

I'm not saying anyone should burn anything yet; I'm just saying if lighter fluid is on sale I would stock up.

if you define "Moneyball" as buying great players for much less than the market rate, then it doesn't take a brilliant mind to conclude "yes, we should do that!"

It wouldn't exist as a strategy to debate if people were doing it in numbers beforehand. So it seems a little disingenuous to dismiss it offhand as obvious.

the trouble would be if new owners presume that they are here to "rationalize," "modernize," "introduce business method efficiencies," "disrupt" or "do more with less" - insert your favourite corporate nonsense here

There is really little evidence you have that would be "trouble" other than a very clear and obvious distaste for that way of thinking.

I do not look at the FA, UEFA, FIFA and most football clubs and think: very little I could change there ... almost perfect!

American owners in particular have a pretty grim track record in England... and silicon valley types are not exactly known for openmindedness or humility. the more their methods are questioned, the more they're convinced they're right.

The average American owner (like say a Glazer) could not be a more different human being than a "silicon valley type." I'd rather try to figure out the middle east that try to broker an understanding between an old school American businessman and someone from south bay. The fact they are from the same country is as relevant as the fact Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are from the same country.

Also while they do have software and tech companies in their portfolios they are at heart venture capitalists and the average "silicon valley type" hates those people with the intense burning fire of a thousand suns. So not really sure what you are getting at here TBH as it seems something of a mixed message.

Stan Kroenke is seen by many in the U.S. at this very moment as an evil, greedy, horrible owner, due to his desire to move his American football team from St. Louis to Los Angeles. On the flip side, Arsenal, his PL team, have a pretty solid chance at their first league title in a number of years and certainly have a solid foundation and bright future.

Arsenal's owner is American!?!?!?! Surely that's impossible as I have heard from very reliable sources that every American who buys a Prem team has failed horribly.

Anyway "money ball" is the least of our problems.

I was defending the use of the word cartel which is a description of when a bunch of 'competing' buisnesses agree fixed rules that will see them all profit but rule out any new company or company outside of the cartel from growing into the marketplace.

That seems to me an accurate description of a closed off league with agreed financial rules that mean any member of that closed off league can win it.

Is it your contention that simply having more teams in the league system and relegation/promotion qualifies it as a markedly different type of institution? The FA, FIFA and UEFA are closed off and have financial rules too ... they are more lax rules I guess ... more teams and less strict money control ... but it's a fainter distinction in the grand scheme than I think you believe. My ability to start a team which doesn't follow the agreed rules of either the NFL or the FA is identical: 0%.

 

[PhilEFC]

Anything new yet on the takeover? I thought they'd have it sorted by now.

 

[kithnou]

Anything new yet on the takeover? I thought they'd have it sorted by now.

Oh, this is the takeover thread is it? My mistake.

 

[Kinsale Toffee]

Moneyball? That's the lottery in the States isn't it?

 

[ijjysmith]

Lads

LADS

LADS

Take the moneyball talk elsewhere. People are logging on to GOT to, among other things, find out what, if anything is happening on the rumoured takeover.

What's happened with the takeover mate?

 

[PhilEFC]

Oh, this is the takeover thread is it? My mistake.

Yeah, I thought I'd logged on to the Financial Times football transfers forum for a second.

 

[roydo]

Moneyball thread in World Football.

Thanks.

 

[kithnou]

Yeah, I thought I'd logged on to the Financial Times football transfers forum for a second.

I see. I thought I was in the Ale House reading up about favourite 70s porn star names.... Moneyball