Lionel Messi - the ultimate 'flat track bully'?
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Xavi and Iniesta make him look good.
He'd be a scapegoat at Everton. A fancy James McFadden.
*waits and hides*
He'd be a scapegoat at Everton. A fancy James McFadden.
*waits and hides*
bluebloodinmyveins
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I said he only plays well in Spain, and got slated for it.
Phil Neville Superstar
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He's still only 23. Got another 2 World Cups at least in him.
SuffolkBlue
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Agree totally, but Garrincha was better than them all.
davek
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Realistically he's got another one to come when he can be expected to really influence events. He'll be a couple of years older by then than Maradona was when he dragged a mediocre team to WC victory in '86. Not impossible as Maradona almost did the same again in Italia 90 (robbed by diving Germans and a terrible referee in the final). He has it all to do though, and this WC has tarnished Messi's image, no question.
Agree that he was a bit of a let down during this tournament. However, tbf to him, the Argeentine team never played to his strength, like they do at Bara. Messi in the Spanish team would be awesome I reckon.
ToxtethBlue
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He's clearly not, his record proves that. I've said it from the start, the formation Argentina where playing did not suit Messi, he was playing for too deep, almost as a central midfielder in a 4-1-3-2. It didn't suit him or Argentina, and that's exactly why I predicted that a team like Spain would turn them over. It didn't get to that stage but Germany, a similar team, did the job.
One player can't win a tournament on his own, it just doesn't happen, despite what some people would have you believe. And he can and will be compared to Maradona, he's one of the best players to ever play the game, whether he's the best or not is simply down to opinion.
The Champions League is a higher level than this World cup, Messi's performances where there for everyone to see when they won it, and he scored in the final.
One player can't win a tournament on his own, it just doesn't happen, despite what some people would have you believe. And he can and will be compared to Maradona, he's one of the best players to ever play the game, whether he's the best or not is simply down to opinion.
The Champions League is a higher level than this World cup, Messi's performances where there for everyone to see when they won it, and he scored in the final.
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I thought he done alright.
Not to his high standards, but nowhere near as crap as, say, Rooney was.
Not to his high standards, but nowhere near as crap as, say, Rooney was.
davek
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I think there's delusion going on here: take a look at that game today again. It's bogus to implant the seed of belief that Messi had to go deep all the time to get into the game. He didn't have to do that. He was fed the ball in and around the box on many occasions - he was shut down. That's all there is to it. I dont think the movement ahead of him is any better at Barca than with his national team, so sometimes you just have to say a class was reached, in terms of the opposition faced, that he couldn't handle. One thing that was underlined was the ball in this WC: usually Messi can be relied on to pepper the goal with deadly accuracy. That's a major part of his game that takes the eye at club level when he cant find his way through a solid defence. He was robbed of that in this WC and so the focus was more on his ability to pull the strings (or rather inability).
Sorry, but I think Messi had a chastening experience. It'll be interesting to see what the Argentine inquest concludes re his efforts.
Sorry, but I think Messi had a chastening experience. It'll be interesting to see what the Argentine inquest concludes re his efforts.
Is this for real, quite simply the best player of this generation and will be one of the worlds greatest ever. I cant see how anyone who watched Argentina before today could say Messi didnt llive up to his billing. Frankly i thought he was better then the other supposed World Class players in Kaka, Rooney and Ronaldo.
ToxtethBlue
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Ofcourse he does, he's playing as one of the central midfielders, albeit slightly advanced, there's in an onus on him to start the odd attack here and there. Mascherano isn't going to do it is he? That's not to say that's the only reason he didn't perform today but an unbalanced side doesn't help any player, and that's exactly what Argentina where from the first game.
Mexico had an awful lot of the ball against them and dominated the midfield area, even Nigeria, one of the worst teams in the tournament, had a real go at them and could've scored. It's no surprise that Messi ripped Nigeria to pieces (in the final third) when Veron was playing. Maradona was asking him to pull the strings, and he's not that player, he's not Xavi.
Mexico had an awful lot of the ball against them and dominated the midfield area, even Nigeria, one of the worst teams in the tournament, had a real go at them and could've scored. It's no surprise that Messi ripped Nigeria to pieces (in the final third) when Veron was playing. Maradona was asking him to pull the strings, and he's not that player, he's not Xavi.
davek
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Yes. It's for real. <looks at Messi's record when the fat needed pulling from the fire>.
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