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Lukaku. Yes or no

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The binman chronicles said:
Every dog can have it's day and get one, so what? You will completely ignore a pertinent fact that in a two horse league one of the horses shot itself in the foot to suit your narrative. HOWEVER I'm still not saying it's a fluke or it doesn't count, he did well, scored his goals and it's a building block, it goes on the base and then you add the next one and so forth until possibly he reaches the pedestal you put him upon.

Here if kdb is injured, there is the RS, if they are poor utd should be there or thereabouts. So a title will count more but overall it's the sum of the parts that make a body of work. I expect him to be influential in winning cups and push Belgium to the brink of success, they don't have to even win it, all I need to see with my own two eyes is that they don't come off the pitch having lost going well if Rom hadn't missed those two sitters. That's my expectations of a player who has that talent but hasn't shown it consistently enough yet. Like I say you might be easily pleased, or not have seen what a top, top striker looks like.
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Serie A is not a two horse race. It doesn't have the overall quality of the PL but even when Juve were still spawning enough results to win the title (imo they've been slipping for longer than just last year) Napoli, Atalanta, Lazio and recently Milan have all been decent in addition to Inter. It was a one horse race when Juve were at their peak. I wouldn't say it ever got to a two teams every year position though. That's a separate argument altogether however.

I expect him to win knockout competitions is a clever way of going about it because dumb stuff can happen in one offs. You've got a good chance of being it right by ignoring 38 game league seasons in favor of random cup ties. It's the perfect way to ensure you don't have to give someone credit. I bet you can find someone who thinks Messi still hasn't proven it at international level because he didn't score in the final.
 
TheBigIguana said:
I expect him to win knockout competitions is a clever way of going about it because dumb stuff can happen in one offs. You've got a good chance of being it right by ignoring 38 game league seasons in favor of random cup ties. It's the perfect way to ensure you don't have to give someone credit. I bet you can find someone who thinks Messi still hasn't proven it at international level because he didn't score in the final.
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First the Italian league point, I'm not going to go into semantics with you on that, if that's your personal opinion so be it. All I would say imho is the spending and players available to Inter and Juve far go above the rest even if they are useful teams. With Conte as manager you had to put Inter as favourites in my book.

The part I've highlighted above is yes and no, the league is the ultimate test of a team but it also gives you far more opportunity to gain redemption and generally less pressure. League game pressure only ramps up during the last 10 or so games if you are in contention and by that time so far ahead of your rivals that anxiety is off or at least turned down.

Yes I agree anomalies can happen in cup games, even injuries meaning he isn't at his best, but it's not like he gets one chance a season. There will be at least 3 to play for every season so he's got ample chance in a decent team to go on the pitch and dominate one of these. Just the law of averages suggest he has to do it at somepoint! Again as before, to put him in that top bracket I need to see that he hasn't missed a load of chances that if it were Bournemouth in a run of the mill league game he would slot 9 times out of 10.
 
The binman chronicles said:
First the Italian league point, I'm not going to go into semantics with you on that, if that's your personal opinion so be it. All I would say imho is the spending and players available to Inter and Juve far go above the rest even if they are useful teams. With Conte as manager you had to put Inter as favourites in my book.

The part I've highlighted above is yes and no, the league is the ultimate test of a team but it also gives you far more opportunity to gain redemption and generally less pressure. League game pressure only ramps up during the last 10 or so games if you are in contention and by that time so far ahead of your rivals that anxiety is off or at least turned down.

Yes I agree anomalies can happen in cup games, even injuries meaning he isn't at his best, but it's not like he gets one chance a season. There will be at least 3 to play for every season so he's got ample chance in a decent team to go on the pitch and dominate one of these. Just the law of averages suggest he has to do it at somepoint! Again as before, to put him in that top bracket I need to see that he hasn't missed a load of chances that if it were Bournemouth in a run of the mill league game he would slot 9 times out of 10.
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I'd be surprised if you're ever satisfied
 

TheBigIguana said:
You want to be happy with Everton though lol
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Don't we all? I'm actually not hard to please it's all about understanding levels. One of the reasons I'm hard on Lukaku is that I know he can do better, no skin off my nose if he becomes that player he should - I'd be happy for him on a personal level. I'm not holding a grudge he left Everton, we both did well out of it.
 
for all the "only scores against weaker teams" stuff

I sure wish we had somebody who reliably scored against weak teams last season, we could be in Europe
 

That was standard 'Big Game Rom'. Still, need more 'data' to say anything definitive at this stage of the season.

But yeah, you'd have seen that performance from him 99 times out of 100 against that sort of opposition so far during his career.
 
Tubey said:
That was standard 'Big Game Rom'. Still, need more 'data' to say anything definitive at this stage of the season.

But yeah, you'd have seen that performance from him 99 times out of 100 against that sort of opposition so far during his career.
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MikeH72 said:
There is definitely something to the theory that he’s a flat track bully.
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As always if all the times this wasn't true don't count then you're right.
 

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