Managers within our reach

[JobForTheMoyes]

Absolutely not. I didn’t know he’d signed with them so it’s kind of a moot point. I was just defending his record.

All I said about his record was he looked rubbish with Argentina at the World Cup

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

We nearly did end up in the lower leagues because of him one season. the only thing Moyes was good at was the transfer market, he excelled with it and would make an excellent DOF somewhere. I am no fan of his managerial approach which has been shown to be limited wherever he has been. As for the money stuff, he seemed more than happy to go along with Blue Bills penny pinching ways for a number of years.

But didn’t. And then the next season finished fourth, when most people picked us for the drop.

The idea he was “happy” with penny-pinching is not particularly accurate - he just knew the financial situation and worked within it.

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

Right at this moment I hate the club. It's crap. You can have all that '...y'gotta keep supportin' them though' fluff all day long, fact is nothing's changing...HE'S not changing. We've got the staff there (top striker aside like) but we're awful, like watching a Sunday bevvy-team that meets in the car-park prior and has a ciggy & a quick chat before the game. Utter Sh1te.

The set piece concerns were flagged as early as September - it's February and the same shiz is happening week in, week out. Factor that in with the numbers from his time at WAT & HULL then...simply, he's not gonna change a thing is he.

And he's unlikely to get a chance as big as this one again.

And, sadly, I genuinely feel he's blew it already.

We're awful to watch and awful to support right now. Richalison's a miserable, petulant floor-smackin kid and.....blimey....has any striker at the club ever improved whilst FERGUSON's had any imput of any sort?

Crap.

I'm at the point where I think I'd even be OK with MOYES on an interim app.

See, they're making me unwell...

But what's the solution to this?

Just sack Silva and hire another manager?

Or accept that maybe the problem is something else. Like expectations, a wider psychological issue?

There is a chance to do something tuly pioneering / innovative which is to bring the fanbase into the strategy

At the moment, the players, manager, staff, board etc have sole accountability for performance. Fans just do what they like. But, psychology is big part of football. If somehow the fans can be brought into the strategy, behave at matches in a way that is going to boost the psyche of the team, then I think they can help results. Fans need to be held accountable for results in the same way that the players and management are

 

[ForeverBlue92]

But what's the solution to this?

Just sack Silva and hire another manager?

Or accept that maybe the problem is something else. Like expectations, a wider psychological issue?

There is a chance to do something tuly pioneering / innovative which is to bring the fanbase into the strategy

At the moment, the players, manager, staff, board etc have sole accountability for performance. Fans just do what they like. But, psychology is big part of football. If somehow the fans can be brought into the strategy, behave at matches in a way that is going to boost the psyche of the team, then I think they can help results. Fans need to be held accountable for results in the same way that the players and management are

We appoint a top manager and like Klopp and Poch are doing at their clubs they raise their squads game, both physically and mentally, they can attract better calibre of players and they build a relationship up with the fanbase who in turn make GP a fortress again.

The club's a joke right now and fans arguing keeping him on believe in some fairy tale that Silva will wake up in August next summer and suddenly stop leaking goals from set plays, have a Plan B, have us playing great football, connecting with the fans and players and revolutionising the squad. IT AINT HAPPENING.

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

We appoint a top manager and like Klopp and Poch are doing at their clubs they raise their squads game, both physically and mentally, they can attract better calibre of players and they build a relationship up with the fanbase who in turn make GP a fortress again.

The club's a joke right now and fans arguing keeping him on believe in some fairy tale that Silva will wake up in August next summer and suddenly stop leaking goals from set plays, have a Plan B, have us playing great football, connecting with the fans and players and revolutionising the squad. IT AINT HAPPENING.

Sounds good - but who is that manager going to be? Koeman, Allardyce and Silva were all good on paper. Are we big enough to attract a Klopp?

Wolves are an example of an average squad with good tactics, positive mentality and fanbase

There really is mileage in the point around fanbase strategy. It is totally overlooked at the moment - and so likely highly ineffective. The Everton fanbase seems a particularly toxic one / set expectations too high based on past achievements. It's like winning the world cup in '66. Once you've done it, that's then the benchmark

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

I think you can pick far more holes in the fanbase approach than the team / management when you think about it - the easy wins start there...

 

[ToffeeTim]

But what's the solution to this?

Just sack Silva and hire another manager?

Or accept that maybe the problem is something else. Like expectations, a wider psychological issue?

There is a chance to do something tuly pioneering / innovative which is to bring the fanbase into the strategy

At the moment, the players, manager, staff, board etc have sole accountability for performance. Fans just do what they like. But, psychology is big part of football. If somehow the fans can be brought into the strategy, behave at matches in a way that is going to boost the psyche of the team, then I think they can help results. Fans need to be held accountable for results in the same way that the players and management are

How the frig can a fan be held accountable for a result.

Are we going to have stewards handing out banning orders to quiet fans on the way out of our next uninspiring 1 nil home defeat lol

 

[ToffeeTim]

I think you can pick far more holes in the fanbase approach than the team / management when you think about it - the easy wins start there...

I'm afraid I'm going to have to hold you to account for yesterday's defeat. Your support was not vociferous enough. You did not chant the tune to Z cars repeatedly from 2.45 to kick off and you didn't create a new chant for Michael Keane that would have praised his zonal marking skills.

This is all your fault Barry I'm afraid.

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

How the frig can a fan be held accountable for a result.

Are we going to have stewards handing out banning orders to quiet fans on the way out of our next uninspiring 1 nil home defeat lol

What would you say the fans are doing well and not doing well at the moment? What more can the fans do to contribute towards results? Are the fans of good quality, or should they be replaced?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Sounds good - but who is that manager going to be? Koeman, Allardyce and Silva were all good on paper. Are we big enough to attract a Klopp?

Wolves are an example of an average squad with good tactics, positive mentality and fanbase

There really is mileage in the point around fanbase strategy. It is totally overlooked at the moment - and so likely highly ineffective. The Everton fanbase seems a particularly toxic one / set expectations too high based on past achievements. It's like winning the world cup in '66. Once you've done it, that's then the benchmark

With respect, how the hell was Koeman, Alladyce and Silva good on paper?

Koeman finished top 6 once with Southampton

Alladyce is a fireman and hasn't won a carrot

Silva relegated Hull and was sacked by midtable Watford

Absolutely zero ambition appointing any of those 3.

Mancini, Conte, Van Gaal, Rudi Garcia, Sampaoli, Biesla just off the top of my head.

Theres also a few in Germany at the moment who would do a great job.

Look at Saints appointing Hassenhuttl - got 2nd and built Leipzig a good young side and he has done a good job there already and they've beaten Arsenal and drew with Chelsea.

Newcastle have Benitez whos beaten Man City this season and working on a Moyesque budget

Plenty of managers out there but Moshiri doesnt look any further than clubs sat in and around 9/10th in the PL on limited budgets and wonder why they turn out garbage.

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

I'm afraid I'm going to have to hold you to account for yesterday's defeat. Your support was not vociferous enough. You did not chant the tune to Z cars repeatedly from 2.45 to kick off and you didn't create a new chant for Michael Keane that would have praised his zonal marking skills.

This is all your fault Barry I'm afraid.

But do you think the input from the fans is optimal at the moment? I don't think it's that organised is it - so likely to be big efficiency gaps. Football is about team psychology - every fan action should be targeted to maximise that - and carrot or stick used in the best way. At the moment it seems a complete scattergun approach with the stick deployed at any opportunity, whether or not it's helping the psychology of the team

The Everton fanbase leaders (inc those running this forum) have the ability to influence this - and improve the results of the team of other men kicking a ball around a field that they devote so much of their time to

 

[ToffeeTim]

What would you say the fans are doing well and not doing well at the moment? What more can the fans do to contribute towards results? Are the fans of good quality, or should they be replaced?

Turning up in their thousands and selling out every away allocation, to watch abysmal football. That's what matters and why they deserve better. Not many teams who've been in the doldrums for as long as us have such a loyal crowd who go home and away.

I'm not getting into how someone should support the team. I like atmosphere. I like supporting vocally. Others don't. They prefer to go and enjoy the match with their mate, dad, brother or whoever. There's no right or wrong way to support the team and it's not for you or me to tell people that they are to blame. People are different and you cant force your view of support on others. I do like a good boo myself at times, but only on the final whistle. I mustn't be a superfan.

 

[alvinh]

Sadly the job is far less attractive than it was even 18 months ago. It seems like the money has been spent, badly, and that new funds are likely to be limited by the needs of the stadium project. So for the next few years the Everton job is likely to be one of the toughest in the league with a combination of high expectations and low levels of available resources. The more of those scant resources spend on paying out settlements, moving out previous managers buys at a big loss or paying compensation to clubs for new managerial appointments and their backroom staff the worse that situation gets.

If the decision is to get a new manager it would be a lot easier and cheaper and there will be a much better choice of potential appointments at the end of the season. Also, any prospective manager will want a meaningful assurance that they will be backed and provided with a reasonable amount of time to make changes without immediately being put under pressure. The club would stand a far greater chance of being able to make those assurances if they can point to the last incumbent at least getting one full season to try to make it work.

So even if you're convinced Silva has to go, there remains an argument for sticking with him until the end of the season, unless of course the wheels fall off completely and we're staring relegation in the face again.

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

With respect, how the hell was Koeman, Alladyce and Silva good on paper?

Koeman finished top 6 once with Southampton

Alladyce is a fireman and hasn't won a carrot

Silva relegated Hull and was sacked by midtable Watford

Absolutely zero ambition appointing any of those 3.

Mancini, Conte, Van Gaal, Rudi Garcia, Sampaoli, Biesla just off the top of my head.

Theres also a few in Germany at the moment who would do a great job.

Look at Saints appointing Hassenhuttl - got 2nd and built Leipzig a good young side and he has done a good job there already and they've beaten Arsenal and drew with Chelsea.

Newcastle have Benitez whos beaten Man City this season and working on a Moyesque budget

Plenty of managers out there but Moshiri doesnt look any further than clubs sat in and around 9/10th in the PL on limited budgets and wonder why they turn out garbage.

Agree - they weren't top, top. i.e. not won league championships. Maybe the answer then is to stop fannying around with second tier managers and put everything behind someone who's massively been there and done it. Jose Mourinho? ;-)

Our problem in the past has been ability to attract those top, top people. Success comes incrementally and is hard won over time

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

Turning up in their thousands and selling out every away allocation, to watch abysmal football. That's what matters and why they deserve better. Not many teams who've been in the doldrums for as long as us have such a loyal crowd who go home and away.

I'm not getting into how someone should support the team. I like atmosphere. I like supporting vocally. Others don't. They prefer to go and enjoy the match with their mate, dad, brother or whoever. There's no right or wrong way to support the team and it's not for you or me to tell people that they are to blame. People are different and you cant force your view of support on others. I do like a good boo myself at times, but only on the final whistle. I mustn't be a superfan.

But it seems a lot of the 'fans' are forcing their view on to the team / manager etc, whilst sitting back in the comfort of zero accountability themselves, or zero real thought about what's going on beyond what they see happening that day on the pitch. Time for the 'fans' to stand up and be counted!!