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roydo said:
Proper Battle of the Werthers last night it seems.

Hope the meds kick in.
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I represent that remark!

Now if you live in the south of England, roydo, you gotta meet up with me later in the year (covid permitting). I'll be posting up about it in about 3 months time...
 

artetas_biggest_fan said:
Nonsense. They were defending champions, and finished 2nd in ‘91 with Souness having taken over a few months before the end of that season. A quality manager who doesn’t wreck what they had built up over the decades, they challenge for the league the following season, and so on.

When you appoint a crap manager (and they’d take heed of not basing ‘success’ in Scotland in regards to the merit of Gerrard) it doesn’t matter what the club has done before, it will fail. Much like Moyes to United, Souness was a one man wrecking ball, an egomaniac who wanted to stamp his own imprint on the club as opposed to maintaining the DNA they had built up over decades. He sold McMahon, Houghton, Beardsley etc, players who should have played alongside Fowler, McManaman, Redknapp etc. to maintain the same winning ethos of the club. A smooth transition of players had been the key to their success over three decades (as it was under Fergie at United). Instead he ripped it all up and started from scratch, changed the DNA, and finished 6th. Staunton, Saunders and Houghton joined Villa and starred in a team that almost won the PL in ‘93.

Moyes made United an expensive version of Wimbledon...bypass midfield, cross, cross, cross. Fellaini is the signing that best encapsulates his failure. More damaging than the change of style was the change in mentality. From believing they were better than anyone under Fergie Moyes instilled fear into the team, best summed up by Rio Ferdinand.


Souness and Moyes have much in common in that they single handedly blew to smithereens dynastys.
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Liverpools era of dominance happened during a period, when the traditional power clubs of english football, Everton Man United and Arsenal went into decline. Leeds also went into their post Don Revie era slumber. Clubs like QPR Ipswich Watford and Southampton, finished as runners up in the league to your dearly beloved reds.

But then Everton came good again under Howard Kendall, Arsenal came good under George Graham, and Sir Alex Ferguson woke up the sleeping giant that was Man United. And then Liverpools era of success naturally ended. Souness or no Souness the show was over regardless. United always were and always will be, a bigger club than the rs.
 
Cork Evertonian said:
Liverpools era of dominance happened during a period, when the traditional power clubs of english football, Everton Man United and Arsenal went into decline. Leeds also went into their post Don Revie era slumber. Clubs like QPR Ipswich Watford and Southampton, finished as runners up in the league to your dearly beloved reds.

But then Everton came good again under Howard Kendall, Arsenal came good under George Graham, and Sir Alex Ferguson woke up the sleeping giant that was Man United. And then Liverpools era of success naturally ended. Souness or no Souness the show was over regardless. United always were and always will be, a bigger club than the rs.
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Nah, you can apply one eyed thinking to any era (“Fergie largely had a free run in the 90s when their biggest rivals the RS declined...and he only had to face such managerial heavyweights as Roy Evans, Kevin Keegan and Bruce Rioch as opposed to Jurgen Klopp, Pep and Mourinho”). Fact is United won all those titles in the 90s...did nowt in Europe mind (besides Bruce, Pallister and co. getting their backside handed to them in games by the like of Romario and Stoichkov). The RS were the best at home and abroad.

A decent appointment and the RS challenge for everything in the 90s. Beardsley, Houghton (who in Giants Stadium gave me my greatest sporting moment in ‘94), McMahon, Staunton and co. discarded, replaced by Nigel Clough, Paul Stewart (god bless him after what he’s been through), Mark Walters, Julian Dicks...Souness changed the winning DNA overnight, and bought badly to boot. It needed fine tinkering, not a mass clear out.

Ultimately, Souness took a mallet to a problem that required a chisel.

Moyes has similarly been a wrecking ball to United, discarding the back room team, changing the style of play to an expensive version of Wimbledon with Fellaini at the heart of it, and removing the aura the club had built up and instilling fear into a previous group of winners. The two biggest clubs in the country have had a very similar experience. It took the RS three decades to fully recover, United are closing in on a decade having yet to do so.
 
artetas_biggest_fan said:
Nah, you can apply one eyed thinking to any era (“Fergie largely had a free run in the 90s when their biggest rivals the RS declined...and he only had to face such managerial heavyweights as Roy Evans, Kevin Keegan and Bruce Rioch as opposed to Jurgen Klopp, Pep and Mourinho”). Fact is United won all those titles in the 90s...did nowt in Europe mind (besides Bruce, Pallister and co. getting their backside handed to them in games by the like of Romario and Stoichkov). The RS were the best at home and abroad.

A decent appointment and the RS challenge for everything in the 90s. Beardsley, Houghton (who in Giants Stadium gave me my greatest sporting moment in ‘94), McMahon, Staunton and co. discarded, replaced by Nigel Clough, Paul Stewart (god bless him after what he’s been through), Mark Walters, Julian Dicks...Souness changed the winning DNA overnight, and bought badly to boot. It needed fine tinkering, not a mass clear out.

Ultimately, Souness took a mallet to a problem that required a chisel.

Moyes has similarly been a wrecking ball to United, discarding the back room team, changing the style of play to an expensive version of Wimbledon with Fellaini at the heart of it, and removing the aura the club had built up and instilling fear into a previous group of winners. The two biggest clubs in the country have had a very similar experience. It took the RS three decades to fully recover, United are closing in on a decade having yet to do so.
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From my era, I never thought they would replace Rush.
They did, with Fowler.
I never thought they would replace Fowler.
They did, with Owen.

God knows what older lids thought when Keegan was replaced.. by Dalglish..
 

artetas_biggest_fan said:
Nah, you can apply one eyed thinking to any era (“Fergie largely had a free run in the 90s when their biggest rivals the RS declined...and he only had to face such managerial heavyweights as Roy Evans, Kevin Keegan and Bruce Rioch as opposed to Jurgen Klopp, Pep and Mourinho”). Fact is United won all those titles in the 90s...did nowt in Europe mind (besides Bruce, Pallister and co. getting their backside handed to them in games by the like of Romario and Stoichkov). The RS were the best at home and abroad.

A decent appointment and the RS challenge for everything in the 90s. Beardsley, Houghton (who in Giants Stadium gave me my greatest sporting moment in ‘94), McMahon, Staunton and co. discarded, replaced by Nigel Clough, Paul Stewart (god bless him after what he’s been through), Mark Walters, Julian Dicks...Souness changed the winning DNA overnight, and bought badly to boot. It needed fine tinkering, not a mass clear out.

Ultimately, Souness took a mallet to a problem that required a chisel.

Moyes has similarly been a wrecking ball to United, discarding the back room team, changing the style of play to an expensive version of Wimbledon with Fellaini at the heart of it, and removing the aura the club had built up and instilling fear into a previous group of winners. The two biggest clubs in the country have had a very similar experience. It took the RS three decades to fully recover, United are closing in on a decade having yet to do so.
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Sorry there mate, i stopped reading the rest of that post after the bit in bold. They won the champions league and a european cup winners cup, and beat your shower of white suited wearing muppets in an fa cup final.:) In 1999 they won the proper treble. Something the rs never did btw. It really is eating you up inside, that United knocked the rs off their perch good and proper.

Thankfully Man City are now doing their bit, to stop those loveable reds from destroying the city, and dragging it's name through the mud yet again! United are just a better and bigger club than the rs, always were and always will be. But you're entitled to your opinion, even if it is a load of one eyed blinkered nonsense.
 
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If the parasite glazers remain charge i fear we could another 10 stretch , rancid stuff to be giving OGS another contract without even backing him in transfer market
 
artetas_biggest_fan said:
Nah, you can apply one eyed thinking to any era (“Fergie largely had a free run in the 90s when their biggest rivals the RS declined...and he only had to face such managerial heavyweights as Roy Evans, Kevin Keegan and Bruce Rioch as opposed to Jurgen Klopp, Pep and Mourinho”). Fact is United won all those titles in the 90s...did nowt in Europe mind (besides Bruce, Pallister and co. getting their backside handed to them in games by the like of Romario and Stoichkov). The RS were the best at home and abroad.

A decent appointment and the RS challenge for everything in the 90s. Beardsley, Houghton (who in Giants Stadium gave me my greatest sporting moment in ‘94), McMahon, Staunton and co. discarded, replaced by Nigel Clough, Paul Stewart (god bless him after what he’s been through), Mark Walters, Julian Dicks...Souness changed the winning DNA overnight, and bought badly to boot. It needed fine tinkering, not a mass clear out.

Ultimately, Souness took a mallet to a problem that required a chisel.

Moyes has similarly been a wrecking ball to United, discarding the back room team, changing the style of play to an expensive version of Wimbledon with Fellaini at the heart of it, and removing the aura the club had built up and instilling fear into a previous group of winners. The two biggest clubs in the country have had a very similar experience. It took the RS three decades to fully recover, United are closing in on a decade having yet to do so.
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The great Ajax and Bayern Munich teams of the 70's, were also in decline when the rs started winning those european cups. There was no AC Milan side of Maldini Baressi Van Basten and Rijkaard around either. Uniteds champions league wins in 1999 and 2008, were a bigger and better achievement, because the competition was harder to win. The rs in the 70's and 80's, had no group stages to deal with. It was way easier to get to a final.
 
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I think one point has to be taken into consideration is that when United got battered by barcelona they were the victim of the five foreigner rule , schemichel , irwin etc could not play so that was a big handicap , not saying we would have won mind , different era is difficult to judge Liverpool had a great team in the late 70s and 80s but the competion was far different compared to today , i think by now we will see if city can finally win it , i think only bayern might stop them
 

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