Manchester United

[maccavennie]

have a look at their results with and without this season

No thanks

 

[Tommy Chong]

@anxiouswarrior What were Ole's comments after the match?!?

I just saw Jose in full drama queen mode bitching about them.

One of the reporters was even like: Jose, do you want me to hold your handbag while you finish having your hissy fit.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

@anxiouswarrior What were Ole's comments after the match?!?

I just saw Jose in full drama queen mode bitching about them.

One of the reporters was even like: Jose, do you want me to hold your handbag while you finish having your hissy fit.

I think Jose lost the plot when OGS said that if his own boy had stayed down so long has Son did after mctominay palmed him off and then had to be helped up 3 mins later then OGS i would not give him any dinner or something , Jose freaked out say OGS was a disgrace and that food is vital and that Son father was a much better human being than OGS because he fed him since he was a boy , he then started on about in Portugal bread is bread and cheese is cheese , i lost track after that safe to say i think there is no love lost between them , i think jose had a go the other day saying OGS needs to listed to the big boss meaning Fergie

 

[anxiouswarrior]

I think Jose lost the plot when OGS said that if his own boy had stayed down so long has Son did after mctominay palmed him off and then had to be helped up 3 mins later then OGS i would not give him any dinner or something , Jose freaked out say OGS was a disgrace and that food is vital and that Son father was a much better human being than OGS because he fed him since he was a boy , he then started on about in Portugal bread is bread and cheese is cheese , i lost track after that safe to say i think there is no love lost between them , i think jose had a go the other day saying OGS needs to listed to the big boss meaning Fergie

Was very funny all of it though , they are both a bit mental i think

 

[Ancelotti]

Absolute nonsense. United have won the title 5 times since the Glazer's took over and other trophies along the way as well.
It's not the owners. Its a top level world class manager you need and not a lightweight who's only achievement
in the Premier League to date is to get Cardiff relegated.

They tried that route with Mourinho and it didn’t work.

OGS won’t win them titles but he’s building a very impressive team, bringing through youth and getting rid of anyone who won’t sweat blood for the club

If anything Solsjkaer has done an incredible job so far - Manure fans are right to be fed up with Glazers spending the club’s money on debt repayments every year

Ancelotti will do same with us once we get rid of all the average players and have hard working ones in his style who want to win at all costs

 

[PaulPowersTash]

They tried that route with Mourinho and it didn’t work.

OGS won’t win them titles but he’s building a very impressive team, bringing through youth and getting rid of anyone who won’t sweat blood for the club

If anything Solsjkaer has done an incredible job so far - Manure fans are right to be fed up with Glazers spending the club’s money on debt repayments every year

Ancelotti will do same with us once we get rid of all the average players and have hard working ones in his style who want to win at all costs

To be fair I am unfortunately surprised at the job OGS has done at the swamp. They are a half decent side.
Regarding Jose - he was past his sell by date when he rocked up and I'm not sure just how committed he was to the job. Whilst the Glazers suck money out of the club like a Dyson they have supported all the managers big time regarding player transfers. They do spend big on players that can't be argued. I think the Glazers are happy to become the new Arsenal of a few years ago. Bag a top 4 finish to keep the CL money rolling in. Fleece the corporates and maybe the odd domestic trophy if things roll their way and hoover up the cash as they go.
The only way to get players to sweat blood for the team is for them to know that if they don't they will dropped or moved on. That comes back to having a high quality 'squad' and not just a first eleven. As you say get rid of the dross (which is difficult when they are on long contracts with big wages) and replace accordingly. It's why I think Ancelotti will need another 3 or 4 transfer windows before real progress starts to happen. I'm comfy with OGS being at OT because as you say, he won't win titles and I can live with that.

 

[Ancelotti]

To be fair I am unfortunately surprised at the job OGS has done at the swamp. They are a half decent side.
Regarding Jose - he was past his sell by date when he rocked up and I'm not sure just how committed he was to the job. Whilst the Glazers suck money out of the club like a Dyson they have supported all the managers big time regarding player transfers. They do spend big on players that can't be argued. I think the Glazers are happy to become the new Arsenal of a few years ago. Bag a top 4 finish to keep the CL money rolling in. Fleece the corporates and maybe the odd domestic trophy if things roll their way and hoover up the cash as they go.
The only way to get players to sweat blood for the team is for them to know that if they don't they will dropped or moved on. That comes back to having a high quality 'squad' and not just a first eleven. As you say get rid of the dross (which is difficult when they are on long contracts with big wages) and replace accordingly. It's why I think Ancelotti will need another 3 or 4 transfer windows before real progress starts to happen. I'm comfy with OGS being at OT because as you say, he won't win titles and I can live with that.

Yeah but they also take up a CL place which is a competition we should be qualifying for in the near future.

I was far happier when Jose was there and their players were unhappy and they were finishing 6th.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

To be fair I am unfortunately surprised at the job OGS has done at the swamp. They are a half decent side.
Regarding Jose - he was past his sell by date when he rocked up and I'm not sure just how committed he was to the job. Whilst the Glazers suck money out of the club like a Dyson they have supported all the managers big time regarding player transfers. They do spend big on players that can't be argued. I think the Glazers are happy to become the new Arsenal of a few years ago. Bag a top 4 finish to keep the CL money rolling in. Fleece the corporates and maybe the odd domestic trophy if things roll their way and hoover up the cash as they go.
The only way to get players to sweat blood for the team is for them to know that if they don't they will dropped or moved on. That comes back to having a high quality 'squad' and not just a first eleven. As you say get rid of the dross (which is difficult when they are on long contracts with big wages) and replace accordingly. It's why I think Ancelotti will need another 3 or 4 transfer windows before real progress starts to happen. I'm comfy with OGS being at OT because as you say, he won't win titles and I can live with that.

I am afraid you are talking nonsense about the glazers and OGS , they have not supported him in the transfer market they extended his contract last year and bought VDB a player that OGS did not choose , the glazers are poison at Old Trafford nearly all United fans know this , as you are fan of the oil factory down the road from me not very club as the luxury of spending 400 million on defenders alone in around 3 years

 

[Ancelotti]

I am afraid you are talking nonsense about the glazers and OGS , they have not supported him in the transfer market they extended his contract last year and bought VDB a player that OGS did not choose , the glazers are poison at Old Trafford nearly all United fans know this , as you are fan of the oil factory down the road from me not very club as the luxury of spending 400 million on defenders alone in around 3 years

Yeah I don’t like yous lot but you are historically and still in modern days what I call a real football club unlike Chelsea and Man City

if Man Utd didn’t have the glazers and their debt to service you would dominate English football with Man City. I work in the financial market and the income Man Utd make from sponsors and essentially the fanbase is insane

but they are holding the club back

 

[PaulPowersTash]

I am afraid you are talking nonsense about the glazers and OGS , they have not supported him in the transfer market they extended his contract last year and bought VDB a player that OGS did not choose , the glazers are poison at Old Trafford nearly all United fans know this , as you are fan of the oil factory down the road from me not very club as the luxury of spending 400 million on defenders alone in around 3 years

But that's just it...
If the Glazers didn't hoover up the money out of the club and reinvested it in the squad - then you could easily spend £400 million on whoever you wanted. The American business model is poison. That's one thing we do agree on. Just because one club is managed far better than the other doesn't make it wrong. If Pep had gone to United you would be the most successful club on the planet - even with the Glazer business model. Plus the fact that your stadium is totally decrepit. It is literally falling down - there's another part of your club that will not be getting the investment it badly needs and requires. Don't complain one club spends £400 million on defenders when your club has a £400 million debt pile. That's the difference.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

But that's just it...
If the Glazers didn't hoover up the money out of the club and reinvested it in the squad - then you could easily spend £400 million on whoever you wanted. The American business model is poison. That's one thing we do agree on. Just because one club is managed far better than the other doesn't make it wrong. If Pep had gone to United you would be the most successful club on the planet - even with the Glazer business model. Plus the fact that your stadium is totally decrepit. It is literally falling down - there's another part of your club that will not be getting the investment it badly needs and requires. Don't complain one club spends £400 million on defenders when your club has a £400 million debt pile. That's the difference.

Im not complaining about anything just stating facts , we have no divine right to win anything as a club since Fergie retired we have lost our way that can happen look at a club like Milan they were at the top for a long while in recent years they have struggled , football can go in cycles nobody dominates all the time , but the Glazers have been a disaster at Old Trafford they dont even anything about the game

 

[number4.]

But that's just it...
If the Glazers didn't hoover up the money out of the club and reinvested it in the squad - then you could easily spend £400 million on whoever you wanted. The American business model is poison. That's one thing we do agree on. Just because one club is managed far better than the other doesn't make it wrong. If Pep had gone to United you would be the most successful club on the planet - even with the Glazer business model. Plus the fact that your stadium is totally decrepit. It is literally falling down - there's another part of your club that will not be getting the investment it badly needs and requires. Don't complain one club spends £400 million on defenders when your club has a £400 million debt pile. That's the difference.

Completely agree PPT - with one caveat; The "American Business model" as you put it, is exactly that, a business model designed to run a businesses profitably to make a profit and either extrude profits, as per Man United, or increase wealth through increased value of club as per Liverpool.

It is easy to swipe either aside as "poison" when your club is owned by a state which has spent over ten years, bending the rules to lose more money than allowed. 99% of clubs are not in the hands of arab states & while city might now be a "sustainable" model, if you choose to believe that, to scoff at others from such a position is bananas.

The majority of clubs are owned as business, Man City, PSG and a couple of others are the exception to that rule.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Completely agree PPT - with one caveat; The "American Business model" as you put it, is exactly that, a business model designed to run a businesses profitably to make a profit and either extrude profits, as per Man United, or increase wealth through increased value of club as per Liverpool.

It is easy to swipe either aside as "poison" when your club is owned by a state which has spent over ten years, bending the rules to lose more money than allowed. 99% of clubs are not in the hands of arab states & while city might now be a "sustainable" model, if you choose to believe that, to scoff at others from such a position is bananas.

The majority of clubs are owned as business, Man City, PSG and a couple of others are the exception to that rule.

Well done for coming up 'House!' on the City bingo card.
MCFC is run exactly as a business and it makes money and will continue to do so. The owner has more than doubled all of his initial investment in just over ten years and we are talking billions here and not millions. That's pretty good business I'd say. The club makes a regular profit (COVID excepted like every other team) and wins trophies. The difference being where one business reinvests the profits for future success and therefore additional profits the other takes it out and the club has to be run on a £400m+ debt mountain which is growing daily. As I say that's the difference. Which is the most sustainable? City is definitely owned as a business 100%. It's just that the owners had a long term vision and 'investment' business plan as opposed to a short term 'cash cow' business plan which is now starting to come to fruition.
Also, a question if I may? Why is wrong or bad to be owned by 'arabs' and acceptable and good to be owned by Americans? Or maybe we already know the answer to that one?

 

[roydo]

Also, a question if I may? Why is wrong or bad to be owned by 'arabs' and acceptable and good to be owned by Americans? Or maybe we already know the answer to that one?

Thats the most pathetic and seemingly overly sensitive point that City fans seem to be making these days.

Anyone who questions the motives/MO of your club is racist. Ok mate.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Thats the most pathetic and seemingly overly sensitive point that City fans seem to be making these days.

Anyone who questions the motives/MO of your club is racist. Ok mate.

Didn't think it would take you long.
Couldn't resist it could you?